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Two Man Mining Op: 2 Retrievers or 1 Covetor w/ support?
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Zatharian Briarthorne
Briarthorne Offshore Accounting Incorporated
#1 - 2013-11-03 20:07:29 UTC
Title says it all. For 2 people, would it be more effecting to mine with 2 retrievers, or to have one in a Covetor and the other run ore back and forth?

Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-11-03 20:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
two retrievers. yield on the covetor is better but not 100% better.

that said i mine with support because it's more convenient.

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Zatharian Briarthorne
Briarthorne Offshore Accounting Incorporated
#3 - 2013-11-03 20:15:56 UTC
Thought so, but just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. My main concern was the 4 strip miners of the two retrievers vs the 3 strip miners of the covetor, but the covetor obviously gets a larger mining bonus.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-11-03 20:24:37 UTC
The only other thing you should also take into account now a days...Gankers.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-11-03 20:37:25 UTC
yeah, and you can either not care about that because twin retrievers are going to pull in the cash and so what if they get popped occasionally or... you can tank a procurer and a hauler and have a bit more resilience.

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Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#6 - 2013-11-04 00:58:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kueyen
Zatharian Briarthorne wrote:
Thought so, but just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. My main concern was the 4 strip miners of the two retrievers vs the 3 strip miners of the covetor, but the covetor obviously gets a larger mining bonus.
Since the mining barge/exhumer rebalance, base mining rates between Procurer, Retriever, Covetor, Skiff, Mackinaw and Hulk are identical, thanks to role bonusses (200% on Procurer and Skiff, 50% on Retriever and Mackinaw). Covetor has +4%/mining barge skill level, Skiff and Mackinaw +1%/exhumer skill level, and Hulk +15% (+3% mining barge skill level, always V), +3%/exhumer skill level.

Or, with V in mining barge and exhumers:

  • 100.00% : Procurer
  • 100.00% : Retriever
  • 105.00% : Skiff
  • 105.00% : Mackinaw
  • 120:00% : Procurer
  • 132.25% : Hulk

If you factor in that Retrievers and Mackinaws have 3 low slots (whereas the other four ships only have 2), which allows an additional Mining Laser Upgrade II, the comparison becomes:

  • 100.00% : Procurer
  • 105.00% : Skiff
  • 109.00% : Retriever
  • 114.45% : Mackinaw
  • 120.00% : Procurer
  • 132.25% : Hulk

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Nolen Cadmar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-11-04 16:54:33 UTC
With only two people, you will make more money using 2 retrievers/mackinaws vs 1 covetor/hulk + orca w/boost.

Two unboosted rets/macks will greatly outmine 1 cov/hulk with boost. I did the calculation a while back and found that 4 unboosted ret/mack are about equivalent to 3 max-boosted cov/hulk, plus orca.

So until you have 4+ people mining, you're better off without an orca.

As stated above, the cov/hulk are much easier to gank, so keep that in mind. Ret/mack can and should always fit a DCU2 and invul.

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Tau Cabalander
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Working Stiffs
#8 - 2013-11-04 22:27:53 UTC
You could even use a Retriever and a Covetor, have the Retriever do the hauling, and jetcan when it was unloading.
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KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-11-05 08:20:39 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You could even use a Retriever and a Covetor, have the Retriever do the hauling, and jetcan when it was unloading.

not worth it for a covetor, replace it with a hulk and it will do okay Cool

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Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#10 - 2013-11-05 08:58:58 UTC
Nolen Cadmar wrote:
With only two people, you will make more money using 2 retrievers/mackinaws vs 1 covetor/hulk + orca w/boost.

Two unboosted rets/macks will greatly outmine 1 cov/hulk with boost. I did the calculation a while back and found that 4 unboosted ret/mack are about equivalent to 3 max-boosted cov/hulk, plus orca.

So until you have 4+ people mining, you're better off without an orca.

As stated above, the cov/hulk are much easier to gank, so keep that in mind. Ret/mack can and should always fit a DCU2 and invul.



I would fit every mining ship with a DCU2 and tank.
Lance Stratos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-11-05 20:34:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lance Stratos
Kueyen wrote:
Zatharian Briarthorne wrote:
Thought so, but just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. My main concern was the 4 strip miners of the two retrievers vs the 3 strip miners of the covetor, but the covetor obviously gets a larger mining bonus.
Since the mining barge/exhumer rebalance, base mining rates between Procurer, Retriever, Covetor, Skiff, Mackinaw and Hulk are identical, thanks to role bonusses (200% on Procurer and Skiff, 50% on Retriever and Mackinaw). Covetor has +4%/mining barge skill level, Skiff and Mackinaw +1%/exhumer skill level, and Hulk +15% (+3% mining barge skill level, always V), +3%/exhumer skill level.

Or, with V in mining barge and exhumers:

  • 100.00% : Procurer
  • 100.00% : Retriever
  • 105.00% : Skiff
  • 105.00% : Mackinaw
  • 120:00% : Procurer
  • 132.25% : Hulk

If you factor in that Retrievers and Mackinaws have 3 low slots (whereas the other four ships only have 2), which allows an additional Mining Laser Upgrade II, the comparison becomes:

  • 100.00% : Procurer
  • 105.00% : Skiff
  • 109.00% : Retriever
  • 114.45% : Mackinaw
  • 120.00% : Procurer
  • 132.25% : Hulk


Minor iteration on what you said; T1 Strip miners, T2 MLU, all lvl5 skills, no boosts. no implants:

51% Venture 8.52 m3/s (4.26 x2)- 2 Miner II and 1 MLU
100% Procurer: 16.7 m3/s
104.7% Skiff: 17.5 m3/s
106% Rokh: 17.68 m3/s (2.21 x8)- 8 Miner II and 4 MLU with 2 CPU Rigs *added for edit*
109% Retriever: 18.22 m3/s (9.11 x2)
114.5% Mackinaw: 19.12 m3/s (9.56 x2)
120% Covetor: 20.04 m3/s (6.68 x3)
132.4% Hulk: 22.11 m3/s (7.37 x3)


Yield multipliers:
MX-80(1/3/5) = +1/3/5%

(Assume all lvl5 on booster)
Base T2 Boost (No Mindlink): +48.5%
Orca + T2 boost (No mindlink): +55.1%
Base T2 Boost (Mindlink): + 59.9%
Orca + T2 boost (Mindlink): +70%
Rorqual* + T2 Boost (No Mindlink): +73.7%
Rorqual* + T2 Boost (Mindlink): +98.8%


While the Covertor and Hulk seem nice, with a fully boosted Rorqual you will want a mackinaw. While the yield is less you will not have Ore hold issues like the hulk;1.5 cycles and your hold is full and you need to drop a can, if you are jet can mining there is no issue but multiboxers like my self find this annoying since a dropped can does not appear in your inventory tree until you open it.


*Boosting bonus if in deployed mode, otherwise base. Not allowed into highsec.
Lance Stratos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-11-05 20:37:37 UTC
Samoth Egnoled wrote:
Nolen Cadmar wrote:
With only two people, you will make more money using 2 retrievers/mackinaws vs 1 covetor/hulk + orca w/boost.

Two unboosted rets/macks will greatly outmine 1 cov/hulk with boost. I did the calculation a while back and found that 4 unboosted ret/mack are about equivalent to 3 max-boosted cov/hulk, plus orca.

So until you have 4+ people mining, you're better off without an orca.

As stated above, the cov/hulk are much easier to gank, so keep that in mind. Ret/mack can and should always fit a DCU2 and invul.



I would fit every mining ship with a DCU2 and tank.


in null-sec with a minor group, 2-4 people you can get away with 3 resistance amps (2 racial or meta and 1 T2 due to CPU) and a small shield booster on a mackinaw.