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Is PVP becoming too expensive?

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2013-10-30 09:46:52 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Pvp has become cheaper.

During the recent rebalance, CCP opted to nerf anything that requires SP into the ground whilst buffing everything else (or give T2 entireley useless 'bufffs' like the MWD sig bonus on HACs, which will only help them against BS, but nothing else).


BS just got shuffled around instead of receiving a long-required buff, whereas T1 friugs and cruisers got buffed into oblivion.

Most likely, that's due to CCP not understanding their own tracking formula and constantly underrating mobility for years now.

I for once only undock my noob alt in frigs, destroyers and T1 cruisers, as they're grossly overpowered in terms of 'bang for the buck' whereas I'm about to unsub or even sell my 100+ mill SP characters.


BS just got "shuffled around" did they? Looked to me like a number of little-used BS (Hype, Mega, Raven etc) are suddenyl very viable indeed, rather than being utter jokes. I guess you could call that shuffling if you were determined not to like having an increased number of usable battleships.

Can you name a HAC that didn't get made better than it was before?

Honestly, it's like you people rejoice in not having an attention span or even basic reasoning ability.


But ships that peopel wanted to be cahnged, liek tempests were not. WHile ships bpeople were happy with, were turened upside down.

Want a hac not effectively buffed? Vagabond... why because it is still better to buy a cynabal instead for that role.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-10-30 11:05:13 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Psichotic wrote:
Eve has always been too expensive. That's why you will never, ever see 100,000 players online.

Imagine an Eve where you can get fights all the time in almost every system. Imagine that you had fun blowing stuff up all the time. Keep imagining because it's never going to happen.

While the fanbois who have invested their entire life playing Eve and being a social outcast with no girlfriend will, of course, pepper me with insults, the fact is most people in the real world do have a life, and they aren't going to spend USD$50.00 for an internet space ship. Besides, Eve is already hard enough without adding insane amounts of money to the equation.

If CCP dropped the prices they would still make the same amount of money because more players = more $$$. But they are content having a mostly empty universe populated by 30yr old virgins.

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I smell a troll....

t's "Eve is fail because you need a 3 billion ISK ($50) ship to PVP in Eve".... Now I just need to find out where I can sell my girlfriend for PLEX so I can get one! P
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2013-10-30 11:08:56 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Want a hac not effectively buffed? Vagabond... why because it is still better to buy a cynabal instead for that role.

~
I bet you know pirate ships are going to rebalanced, yet still make these statements.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-10-30 11:31:05 UTC
ZeeWolf Novus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Ravens cost 135M or so when I started playing.

To put that into context, so did a 30 GTC card.


90-100mil back in the good old days Lol



Should have stock at that time too ;(

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Psichotic
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-10-30 18:23:16 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Psichotic wrote:


While the fanbois who have invested their entire life playing Eve and being a social outcast with no girlfriend will, of course, pepper me with insults, the fact is most people in the real world do have a life, and they aren't going to spend USD$50.00 for an internet space ship.


On the contrary.. the people that re not social outcasts, and have not only GF, but wifes, and excelent jobs, will spare 50$ to buy pvp ships, because its a minimal thing for them.


Shhh... Don't give my girlfriend any ideas. I'd rather pay the $50 than get married. Smile
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-10-30 20:42:59 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
ZeeWolf Novus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Ravens cost 135M or so when I started playing.

To put that into context, so did a 30 GTC card.


90-100mil back in the good old days Lol



Should have stock at that time too ;(


Maybe someone needs to petition the stock market prices as unfair!
Maxx Phobos
#87 - 2013-10-31 01:09:12 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
ZeeWolf Novus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Ravens cost 135M or so when I started playing.

To put that into context, so did a 30 GTC card.


90-100mil back in the good old days Lol



Should have stock at that time too ;(



When i started my first character the raven was 89-91 mil

Rohks didn't exist

Dommi was around 58 mil

Plex was introduced and was around 245-260 mil

The first Titan had not yet been built

Capitals were just starting to appear

Jita at peak times had about 600 people in it and none of them were scammers

Warp to 0 hadn't been implemented and battleships were the most popular gate campers

Was good times ...

Though I don't think things are any worse now than they were then in terms of cost vs gain.. If anything incursions made pvp cheaper by making players wealthier.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-11-02 14:47:52 UTC
Maxx Phobos wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
ZeeWolf Novus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Ravens cost 135M or so when I started playing.

To put that into context, so did a 30 GTC card.


90-100mil back in the good old days Lol



Should have stock at that time too ;(



When i started my first character the raven was 89-91 mil

Rohks didn't exist

Dommi was around 58 mil

Plex was introduced and was around 245-260 mil

The first Titan had not yet been built

Capitals were just starting to appear

Jita at peak times had about 600 people in it and none of them were scammers

Warp to 0 hadn't been implemented and battleships were the most popular gate campers

Was good times ...

Though I don't think things are any worse now than they were then in terms of cost vs gain.. If anything incursions made pvp cheaper by making players wealthier.


58M was the navy domi probably, you could buy the regular one at 34 not that long ago.

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Maxx Phobos
#89 - 2013-11-02 16:21:10 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Maxx Phobos wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
ZeeWolf Novus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Ravens cost 135M or so when I started playing.

To put that into context, so did a 30 GTC card.


90-100mil back in the good old days Lol



Should have stock at that time too ;(



When i started my first character the raven was 89-91 mil

Rohks didn't exist

Dommi was around 58 mil

Plex was introduced and was around 245-260 mil

The first Titan had not yet been built

Capitals were just starting to appear

Jita at peak times had about 600 people in it and none of them were scammers

Warp to 0 hadn't been implemented and battleships were the most popular gate campers

Was good times ...

Though I don't think things are any worse now than they were then in terms of cost vs gain.. If anything incursions made pvp cheaper by making players wealthier.


58M was the navy domi probably, you could buy the regular one at 34 not that long ago.


I don't think Navy Domi was around when I started, Navy Mega's , Raven's , Tempests , apocs only , The Navy Domi , Scorp , Geddon , Phoons were years later.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#90 - 2013-11-02 17:08:39 UTC
When I started a rokh was about 88 mil or so and a scorpion was under 50. Now the increases in price could be for a lot of very valid reasons but honestly Plex is probably the biggest villain in outpricing new players.

Unless you manufacture your own ships you probably will lose so much money on them you'll be ratting or button spinning until you boredomquit. The game seems to have crossed some internal event horizon where actual self propelled empires are un feasible and industry is best performed by legions of highsec alts.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-11-02 22:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
To all those complaining about this ship cost xx and now years later it costs xxx well that's called inflation. When I was a young gas cost less than a dollar a gallon and now it's close to four dollars. Minimum wage was 3.35 an hour and now it's 7.25.



Yes the ISK price for stuff has gone up but so has the ISK price of PLEX. When I started playing PLEX were about 350k and now they're over 600k. So if you're comparing the PLEX cost of ships the price probably changed much.

PVP is so expensive that no one does PVP anymore so feel free to go into low/null sec without any risk Shocked
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#92 - 2013-11-03 01:02:14 UTC
Minimum wage where I live is $25 an hour and gas is $1.30 per litre. Probably about $4.90 a gallon or something?

You need to GTFO of freedomland and start living a real life.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-11-03 03:22:35 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Minimum wage where I live is $25 an hour and gas is $1.30 per litre. Probably about $4.90 a gallon or something?

You need to GTFO of freedomland and start living a real life.


I need to move there and get a minimum wage job!
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-11-03 09:34:04 UTC
In my opinion PVP is still too cheap. There are far too few officer-fitted machs and other shinies around providing nice Killmails and loot.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-11-03 17:18:13 UTC
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
In my opinion PVP is still too cheap. There are far too few officer-fitted machs and other shinies around providing nice Killmails and loot.


A fool and his ISK are soon parted.