EVE General Discussion

I seriously wonder where would you be playing 3,000 hands battles without the 41,000 guys who were paying to do something else.

As impressive as those battles are, the game would be completely unsustainable if this was the only stuff around and the players in them were the only ones paying the game.

How does this keep coming up? I've never heard CCP say that they have daily 3000 character fights in one system. They talk about large scale fleet fights, not maximum sized fleet fights. If the players choose to push the servers to their limit, then there isn't much CCP can do except charge 5 to 10 times more a month to cover those constant hardware upgrades. You guys are the equivalent of some hacker using a DDoS attack on a website and then demanding they upgrade their hardware because you only used half of your bots. Either accept the limitations and stop blobbing, or blob harder and deal with the TiDi and lag.

Imagine all of the things about your ship:

What you are flying, your current vector, modules activated, shield/armor/structure amount, animations for shooting, commands for drones, drone location / activity, and all of the damage calculations. Now, this needs to be sent to 2,999 other people. The same data for 2,999 other people also needs to be sent to you. Under normal circumstances, Eve's engine runs in 1 second ticks, but 10% TiDi brings this down to 10 second ticks (I think). Okay, so this means that all this data for 2,999 ships needs to be sent to 2,999 other people (we assume you don't need the server to tell you about your own state (as often)).

That's 8,994,001 sets of data (at least) to package up and send out to everyone. Every tick. That's a lot of data. You also need to include things like physics calculations, animations for missiles and guns, killmail generation, etc. It's a lot to process - especially since the Eve server code is still, as far as I know, single threaded.

And that's the reason. It's just a LOT of data to process and move around. Hamsters can only run so fast.

2004: CCP, we can't blob past 800!
2008. CCP we can't blob past 1,500!
2012: CCP, we can't blob past 4,000!
2016: CCP, we can't blob past 9,000!
2020: CCP, we can't blob past 20,000!

On the flip hand, if it wasn't those 3000 players fighting then would the other 41000 thousand people even be playing?

After all, what is the point of mining and manufacturing if no ships are getting blow up?

Erm.. don't you 2013?

Also do you call there was what.. 6 - 7 different alliances involved in last nights fight?

So are you saying that if 2 alliances are fighting nobody else should be allowed to join in?

So is your vision of a perfect Eve just lots of people running missions, mining and everybody being nice to each other?

It's not about my vision of EVE. Allowing unlimited blobs is absurd because people will always try to blob 100 ships more than the other, just in case, as there's only advantages in numbers. That's the point of the post above, btw.

Rather than keep throwing money and resources to hosting bigger battles, I would apply penalties to numbers so FC's were incentivized to find a optimum between having enough ships and not as many that the penalty cancels the advantage. That would bring diminishing returns to fleeting, and diminishing returns is a very old design principle in EVE.

This aproach would be fairer and more effective than just let everyone pack every possible ship so the servers, CCP and ultimately everyone else pay the price of unlimtied blobing.


BTW, i am talking both of absolute numbers ("do not bring more than 1,000 ships") and relative numbers ("do not bring more than 1.5X times the amount of ships your enemy can fleet").

Server performance was great considering so many in the system.

After I realized local had ballooned to near 3000, I was amazed that I was still able to target and get off reps, but as the battle wore on, modules began to stick. So massive kudos are in order for what ccp have accomplished in this area over the years.

What's ridiculous is the fact that so many had reason to be there in the 1st place. End the great blue donut so that we can be concerned with our own regional politics instead of always having to have an ear to what's being said in Deklein.

Love it how this thread has gone to nonsense in only 2 pages.

CCP were informed of the upcoming fight, and there're little doubts that the system was reinforced.
To dispute that point I kindly request a CCP representative to state that the system was not reinforced, so we can work out exactly how this didn't happen.

The point is that even with this reinforced system, the game was not played as it should have been, with clear indications of problems that the very introduction of TiDi was supposed to eliminate, resulting in degraded experience for many of the end users. It's not about the preference of these users on how to play the game, it's about the result of these users playing the game in a specific way to which they're completely entitled and enabled by the game mechanics.

Your opinions about #blue_doughnuting, #blobbing, #having large or small fleets, #mining and #destroying #ships, #costs of servers and #CCP labour and all other fascinating subjects are very 'important' and 'educating' as well as being completely off topic and derailing the issue raised -

The game does not cope with strain and does not prevent this strain from occurring, degrading customers experience.
To a game that promotes itself in a very specific niche, brandishing the numbers of players entangled in simultaneous combat somewhere in a system found in a vast universe, I'd think that the quality of the experience and satisfaction of the players taking part in such events would be important, to drive the "MMO" point home.

Were you there?