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Should All C4's get a nullsec static?
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Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#1 - 2013-11-02 09:18:23 UTC
I say yes!!! Prefably 1m, with 16 hr stable time.

Improvements on C4 gameplay:
Null sec roaming
Ability to run kspace exploration like all the other classes of wh.
Ded complex running, C4 site pve groups tend to also work extremely well running Ded sites
ICE
Increased competiveness for C4 systems.
Pobunjenik
Resbroko Liberation Fleet
#2 - 2013-11-02 11:55:19 UTC
You're bound to find a nullsec within 2 jumps from your holež (if not, collapse your static).
So, I fail to see the point of this.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#3 - 2013-11-02 12:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Out of all possible statics to be given to c4s, null is the queer choice. If your c4 connects up to a c5-chain, you'll have plenty of nulls anyways, if your c4 connects down to a static c2/c3, you got good odds of rolling a nll quickly aswell (which you can then roll for the region you're interested in). If your c4 connects to a c1/c4, then you're a terrible carebear and have no right to ask for a nullsec.

Double wormhole-static or get out.


Simply amazing that queer is getting censored, wasn't aware that word has a negative meaning.
Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
#4 - 2013-11-02 16:34:20 UTC
Pobunjenik wrote:
You're bound to find a nullsec within 2 jumps from your holež (if not, collapse your static).
So, I fail to see the point of this.

If you live in C4/C4 for example, the shortest route to any k-space is C4-C4-C(1/2/3/5/6)-Null, and if you happen to get into a C4/C4 chain, which happens all the time, then you are far away from any k-space, and if you again live in C4/C1 for example, you will probably end in low/high etc etc, so getting to any k-space in C4 is hard anyway and 2 jump away from your home WH is probably going to make you dead if you go for extended exploring session in something other than, cloaky/Cov-ops. Only other option is some K162, like C2 which has some K-space in it, and that K162's are really really rare, and still there is probably someone around there and they are not going to last long. And C4's should get 2nd static which should be HS/LS/NULL, and there would be a massive interest about those C4's, and that would make them one of the most active WH's next to C2, and it would stop people from that massive ISK farm easily..
Van Ketris
Elusive Dilemma
#5 - 2013-11-02 19:36:22 UTC
Peter Moonlight wrote:
Pobunjenik wrote:
You're bound to find a nullsec within 2 jumps from your holež (if not, collapse your static).
So, I fail to see the point of this.

If you live in C4/C4 for example, the shortest route to any k-space is C4-C4-C(1/2/3/5/6)-Null, and if you happen to get into a C4/C4 chain, which happens all the time, then you are far away from any k-space, and if you again live in C4/C1 for example, you will probably end in low/high etc etc, so getting to any k-space in C4 is hard anyway and 2 jump away from your home WH is probably going to make you dead if you go for extended exploring session in something other than, cloaky/Cov-ops. Only other option is some K162, like C2 which has some K-space in it, and that K162's are really really rare, and still there is probably someone around there and they are not going to last long. And C4's should get 2nd static which should be HS/LS/NULL, and there would be a massive interest about those C4's, and that would make them one of the most active WH's next to C2, and it would stop people from that massive ISK farm easily..


If you don't like having that distance to k-space, don't live in a c4/c4. The point of them is to be a more WH centric class, that bridges WH's together more than k-space. It's a way to get lost in w-space so to speak. I wouldn't advocate removing this variation from the game because some people would rather have it differently.

I would love a c4 with static nullsec, but I live in a c4 with a c3, and roll for it instead. I just don't think that removing what is unique about c4's is the best thing to do. They are unique, and offer a different play style/situation than the other WH's offer. If it's not for you, then choose a different class.
Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
#6 - 2013-11-02 20:16:13 UTC
Van Ketris wrote:
Peter Moonlight wrote:
Pobunjenik wrote:
You're bound to find a nullsec within 2 jumps from your holež (if not, collapse your static).
So, I fail to see the point of this.

If you live in C4/C4 for example, the shortest route to any k-space is C4-C4-C(1/2/3/5/6)-Null, and if you happen to get into a C4/C4 chain, which happens all the time, then you are far away from any k-space, and if you again live in C4/C1 for example, you will probably end in low/high etc etc, so getting to any k-space in C4 is hard anyway and 2 jump away from your home WH is probably going to make you dead if you go for extended exploring session in something other than, cloaky/Cov-ops. Only other option is some K162, like C2 which has some K-space in it, and that K162's are really really rare, and still there is probably someone around there and they are not going to last long. And C4's should get 2nd static which should be HS/LS/NULL, and there would be a massive interest about those C4's, and that would make them one of the most active WH's next to C2, and it would stop people from that massive ISK farm easily..


If you don't like having that distance to k-space, don't live in a c4/c4. The point of them is to be a more WH centric class, that bridges WH's together more than k-space. It's a way to get lost in w-space so to speak. I wouldn't advocate removing this variation from the game because some people would rather have it differently.

I would love a c4 with static nullsec, but I live in a c4 with a c3, and roll for it instead. I just don't think that removing what is unique about c4's is the best thing to do. They are unique, and offer a different play style/situation than the other WH's offer. If it's not for you, then choose a different class.

I live in a C5/C5, but thank you. I see 95% of people who live in C4 are carebears, and not much people visit C4's they need to have more risk earning they ISK, they still make isk and content, but they make content and some action for other people in other WH's with a static C4, and also people that would come from K-space or so second static. Most of the people farm only their home, and it's getting static on verge, and most of them never had a k162 opened during the anomalies. Most of the people in C4's are not getting a single K162 on a monthly basis, so that is lame, you are secured like a white bear, and you get a lot isk, and that is not even closely fair to other people in other wormholes which are having much more risk while trying to earn isk.. And i am saying this from perspective that i lived in a C4, and i never got caught doing anomalies, nor was anyone really close and i was doing sleeper in a C4 with a small gang even next to 10-15 people living in their holes, and that is a sad fact and need to be changed..
Winthorp
#7 - 2013-11-02 22:55:39 UTC
My view is that all C4's should get a second WH static. It would make them much more of an attractive option for PVP entities to live out of.
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#8 - 2013-11-02 23:03:57 UTC
C4's should never lead to known space. They should have two statics imo, but should be the culdesac of w-space.


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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-11-02 23:44:08 UTC
Quote:
Most of the people in C4's are not getting a single K162 on a monthly basis


Having lived in a C4 for about a year I can say this is flat out inaccurate. We get rolled into plenty.
Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
#10 - 2013-11-03 02:15:52 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Quote:
Most of the people in C4's are not getting a single K162 on a monthly basis


Having lived in a C4 for about a year I can say this is flat out inaccurate. We get rolled into plenty.

Same thing, just back then we were getting like 1-2 max k162 monthly, it's probably your into more active region or who knows.. Any number how much you were getting?
Van Ketris
Elusive Dilemma
#11 - 2013-11-03 05:02:08 UTC
I'm not arguing that you could improve c4's for the majority of WH'ers by either adding a static, or changing them in some way, but the majority of WH'ers that I'm talking about don't live in c4's because they like the other classes. I don't think that means we need to make c4's more like the other class of WH's. I think it means c4's are fulfilling their niche as being the less populated, more remote wormholes, that are do-able by smaller groups, but also offer some rewards/statics for larger ones.

It's this kind of logic that gets WH players into trouble from the rest of eve. The rest of eve wants WH's to be more useable for them, and how they play. WH's fulfill their niche, and the people who enjoy them may have suggestions here/there, but overall they partake in them because they like what they offer. I think that translates down to each individual class of WH's needs as well. Just because something isn't for you, doesn't mean it needs to be changed to suit you.
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#12 - 2013-11-04 08:11:58 UTC
I happen to live in a C4/C4 running sites like a carebear on steriods. Can't run C5 and don't want to run C3 or lower. C4 sites ad-nausem get boring. Nullsec static keeps C4's remote & adds some variety {farming pirate bs bpc's/ded loot}

C4's should never get a HS or LS static. too ezmode at that point & will lead into very entrenched carebears.
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-11-04 15:00:44 UTC
Answer: NO!

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Malception
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-11-04 15:11:15 UTC
No.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2013-11-04 23:50:48 UTC
Dual-static C4 would be pretty nice. I don't have a huge problem with a C4->C4 and never really had problems with it. While they're used mainly for farming, they're also nice and safe from dreads. If you're dedicated, you can find decent PvP if you look hard enough. Would love for a C4->C4/C2

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-11-04 23:57:58 UTC
Personally I'm fine with C4 statics. But it would be cool if they could get more random k162's from K-space like C5's do.
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-05 05:46:25 UTC
I don't really see a problem with things at the moment. . living in a C5/C4 using the C4 for sites and roaming down chain for a high sec or pvp when the mood strikes, last weekend alone saw a lot of activity from our C4s during the entire course of the weekend, also leading to a marathon eve session for me.

I might be inclined to agree wormholes require something, but I don't think adding more statics anywhere will really be the solution. All i see adding extra statics is going to do is make me have to scan for twice as long every time a new static/hole opens.

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Hulasikali Walla
Brave Nubs
#18 - 2013-11-05 11:46:10 UTC
No
If you don't like C4 don't go/live in it Roll
7enn
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-11-05 14:05:06 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#20 - 2013-11-05 15:58:47 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:

Double wormhole-static or get out.
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