Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are comparing apples and oranges here. It seems you continue to fail to understand basic concept of EvE Online:

Dont fly something you cannot afford to lose.

Victim's loss here is irrelevant. If he invested ISK in his ship/modules - he done so to do missions faster (higher isk/hour): higher risk - more reward. If he is ganked his investments (if they are reasonable) probably payed off multiple times already so he lost nothing.

If someone puts 10 billion into a shuttle why should I only be able to take 10 million of that?

If we take the Rhea for example, under you idea it would need to be carrying a cargo+ship worth of 21 billion minimum before it became gank worthy. You honestly don't see how game breakingly bad this is?

You are literally whining about ganking being risk free and then in the very same post you demand haulers get risk free hauling...

CCP will tweak the numbers.... it would be bad and they can see it as well as you can.

But for a Marauder i think they should be allowed to fit 1b worth of modules and not be profitable to gank it.

For a freighter maybe be able to carry 1.5b worth of loot before profit is in for the gankers and so on.

I also think nobody should be able to Suicide gank a Mining Ship using T2 modules and lose less than the hull value of the mining ship.

Ganking the above ships should remain a viable option, just not a profitable one.

That is the thing, the only way to defend yourself is to play dead.(make yourself an undesirable target)

They will decide but i still think Suicide Ganking should be a last resort not a profit machine.

Why should it matter what ship a person is in? A ship is a ship. An expensive hull is is usually better a specific task (reward) but can fall prey to much less expensive ships outside of this task (risk).

A 30 million ISK Stealth Bomber can easily die to a 1 million ISK frigate.
A 100 million ISK Attack Battlecruiser can also easily die to a 1 million ISK frigate.
A 200+ million ISK battleship can die to a small swarm of 1 million ISK frigates.
A 2.2 billion ISK dreadnought can be locked by a 1 million ISK frigate and not be able to defend itself.
A 60 billion ISK Titan can be locked down by a 200 million ISK HIC and not be able to defend itself.

As you can clearly see... hull and module value not having [too much] relevance towards effectiveness is a major theme in EVE.



And without referring to real life (which has no weight in a game)... why should suicide ganking not be be profitable (or very profitable)? Why should people who choose to use more expensive stuff be given preferential treatment?

No one in this game has ANY right to say that what they do should be given more or less protections against others. It's all about what is good for the game as a whole (and unfortunately for you, more ships blowing up is good for the game as it drives demand on the market).

There are many things you can do to protect yourself (not all of them direct)... and there are risks involved in ganking. Why you so stubbornly refuse to acknowledge them or the metrics supporting our stance is beyond me.

Dont stuff billions into it, use a booster, fit implants, have a fleet escort you.



My battleships survive getting hit from several hundred other battleships all the time as do tens of thousands of others.

So it is a non issue because they are not Suicide Ganked fast enough? :-)

How many of the ones ganked survived? Not many as otherwise profit would drop and people would not gank them.

That's what he's saying.

Most ships are not profitable to gank, so they don't get ganked.

Suicide gankers are a very small niche of the community. It's just their victims scream particularly loudly.

QQ carebear tears. If you don't want to be ganked in your mining ship, fit a tank, but you wouldn't since you are greedy. Don't afk, be aligned with 0 velocity. Litearlly no excuse to lose one. For freighters... most dont gank freighters unless you are dumb and have 3+ bill in your freighter or you go through the known ganking systems AND you jump without ANY scout. I think it should be easier to gank you bads rather than harder. I can only go into high sec on one of my accounts and that is my JF pilot, I am ALWAYS paying attention every second I am in high sec on that char. High sec is far more dangerous than low or null in a JF. If you afk your freighter then you deserve to lose it imo. Additionally, only retards who have no clue how to fit a ship correctly and ridiculously pimp fit their PvE ships ever are the targets of suicide ganks.


TLDR: QQing Freighter pilots mad they die when they auto pilot, miners mad they die when they don't fit a tank, mission runners mad when they fit a battleship stupidly expensive and look like a free loot pinata. L2 Eve, harden the **** up.