Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You might want to write that in a different way.... right now you just made it look like EVE stands for all the wrong things.

As for what CCP did, yes so far they allowed it, but that does not mean we can`t ask them to reconsider and change it.

My point remains, when 10 people only take a 200m loss while ganking a ship worth 1-1.5bil for the hull + more for the cargo or fit, and are able to do it before CONCORD shows up while earning serious ISK, something is wrong.

I am sure CCP will allow ganking to continue and they should, but it should take some skill right now i have seen multiboxed destroyers suicide gank mission ships(will not bother looking up the KB link, but you can find them, they all have the same last name and the guy said he was multiboxing them).

So if it is that easy that somebody can multibox it, for this much profit, something is wrong.

I will answer this again:

A few Suicide Gankers said above that it is profitable, that is why they do it.

Also, as i said above, there was a guy multiboxing destroyers doing his own suicide gank team.... alone. So i`m guessing it is not that hard.

Not enough people do it as most people want some challenge, shooting a target that can`t fight back and has no chance is not exactly why people play video games. Or take candy from children for that matter.

You should be able to do it for profit. Absolutely.

However, trading your 15mil ship(and you get some money back via insurance and half of your modules back) for a cool 50-100mil profit, is too much.

You also take no risk and if you fail a gank you recover fast.



The victim gains nothing, loses 1 to 1.5bil for the hull + at least one more bil for the cargo/modules. The victim will not recover fast.



I think that it should not be so profitable to inflict as much ISK damage to a single person in High Sec while taking no risk.(losing your ship is intended and you have no problem with it so no that is not a risk)


Why do you think you should be able to cause 3bil+ ISK damage per person for the enemy for only 10-15mil damage per person to yourself(totaling max 100-150 mil damage to your entire group) in High Security Space at no risk and get rich while doing it?

You're being dishonest about the no risk and I'm a little dubious about those figures.

You also do not get an insurance payout, after suicide ganking someone. Do you really know what you are talking about here? I have my doubts.

Also why shouldn't an organised group of players, be able to kill a single player who has decided to turn himself into a loot piñata? I thought we were playing a harsh MMO called Eve?

So your argument is it's profitable, not hard and can be easily done with multiboxing. But the reason it's rare, is because people don't want easy profit in this game, they want a challenge? It's also rare due to pilots being smart and not making themselves a loot piñata?

Let us be clear: it is not that rare.

Add up freighter, mission ship and mining ship suicide ganking and you will see it is not all that rare.

Fitting modules worth 500mil on a hull worth 1bil should not make that ship a loot piñata... and a target for every suicide squad out there.

But it is not that rare as a whole, freighter/mission ships/mining ships etc.

You have figures to back this claim up of course?

Let's start with freighters. How many are used per month and out of those, how many are suicide ganked?

Then let's look at marauders. How many are used per month and out of those, how many are suicide ganked?

Then finally let's look at mining ships. How many are used per month and out of those, how many are suicide ganked?

I will not claim i know why people do things.

I do claim Suicide Ganking, as it stands now, has very little risk vs the reward. See above.

That is what i think, i personally don`t do it because of what i said above. But i don`t want to talk for other people.

Because not more than 5 were attacked. Just because only 5 were attacked does not mean others survived...

I`ll grant you one thing: if they keep the marauder changed to help with tanking, after the next patch marauders will be able to survive ganks a lot better(provided they don`t use medium SB`s as i have seen some fit for cap stability)

It does not change the fact that the Suicide Gankers turn up a tidy profit with no risk when ganking people in missions for example, as nobody is there to help the victim/steal loot.

As for freighter ganks well, i did not hear of Suicide Gank teams losing the loot all that often, if that would be the case profit would be lower and they might stop.

None of this changes the fact that Suicide Ganking is profitable and risk free, as it takes one successful gank to cover a few failed ones. So even if everything goes wrong no worry, you will get a lot more ISK than you lose next time.

For the victim however.... the loss is a few times bigger, and there is no getting it back.

So, you actually have no answer for the question "If ganking was so easy and profitable, why don't more people do it?"?



I'm confused. On the one hand you say ganking is risk-free and profitable, yet here you say that there may be failed ganks - so apparently there is a risk of having a gank fail.



And why exactly should that not be the case? If you chose to not ask friends to help protect your assets, why should the game be changed? It's an MMO after all, playing with others is kinda the point.



It's quite common to not be able to loot and the fact that ganking is such a rare thing shows that it's not very profitable.



It's neither the game's nor the ganker's fault if you fail to protect your assets. Eve should not be dumbed down.