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SomerBlinks non-RMT RL earnings

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Frying Doom
#681 - 2013-11-02 13:31:07 UTC
We seem to have drifted off topic, sorry my fault.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#682 - 2013-11-02 16:12:34 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Rroff wrote:
For most places the only thing that counts (including the UK) is actual cash and I doubt with the way Somer is setup its at all relevant where CCP's servers or even what country they (CCP) do business in is located.

(I'm not arguing the point here just interested in if they actually do need licensing or not)

You might want to re-check those UK laws as they go into specific detail about receiving services or articles in return

Gambling Act 2005 wrote:

(4)In this Act “prize” in relation to lotteries includes any money, articles or services—

(a)whether or not described as a prize, and

(b)whether or not consisting wholly or partly of money paid, or articles or services provided, by the members of the class among whom the prize is allocated.


I posted a while back that CCP allowing player run lottos was going to come back to bite them on the ass sooner or later.

The tears will be epic if you lot manage to actually get them banned and I look forward with much anticipation to seeing the ensuing threadnaughts.

Mr Epeen Cool


I never understood how any of the gambling sites got away with it. There's a reason the EULA thing says you can't start a business that's hitched onto EVE. This would probably be the reason. SOMER and CCP just took it to whole new level and ruined it. If I was at CCP I would be worried about plex itself getting the block hammer.

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#683 - 2013-11-02 22:52:45 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Frying Doom
#684 - 2013-11-03 03:08:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:


I never understood how any of the gambling sites got away with it. There's a reason the EULA thing says you can't start a business that's hitched onto EVE. This would probably be the reason. SOMER and CCP just took it to whole new level and ruined it. If I was at CCP I would be worried about plex itself getting the block hammer.


Well it is very possible to be a gambling site and not be a business.

Unfortunately given Somers actions I think they are all skating on thin ice.

After all Somer has shown that it is a 'for profit business' so they will either need to open the flood games and let other 'for profit businesses' in by altering the EULA or they will have to follow their own EULA and ban Somer.

Given the amount of damage Somer has caused is uncalculatable, as it has taken money off community sites, that need that money for actual server costs, (unlike Somer making $135,000+ and now complaining about server costs, that could not be more than $3000 a year), not to mention the number of people that have actually used the site for gambling, pouring their real cash into the thrill of gambling.

I will admit I am hoping CCP actually steps up and enforces their own EULA, rather than playing favorites with a company that has been a cancer on this community.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Annie Getyourgun
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#685 - 2013-11-03 17:01:17 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:


I never understood how any of the gambling sites got away with it. There's a reason the EULA thing says you can't start a business that's hitched onto EVE. This would probably be the reason. SOMER and CCP just took it to whole new level and ruined it. If I was at CCP I would be worried about plex itself getting the block hammer.


Well it is very possible to be a gambling site and not be a business.

Unfortunately given Somers actions I think they are all skating on thin ice.

After all Somer has shown that it is a 'for profit business' so they will either need to open the flood games and let other 'for profit businesses' in by altering the EULA or they will have to follow their own EULA and ban Somer.

Given the amount of damage Somer has caused is uncalculatable, as it has taken money off community sites, that need that money for actual server costs, (unlike Somer making $135,000+ and now complaining about server costs, that could not be more than $3000 a year), not to mention the number of people that have actually used the site for gambling, pouring their real cash into the thrill of gambling.

I will admit I am hoping CCP actually steps up and enforces their own EULA, rather than playing favorites with a company that has been a cancer on this community.


This is the crux of the entire issue here: the GTC reseller program seems to be the way it is because CCP doesn't mind a little bit of the pie going to 'community sites' or the reseller sites, as it is good for the game; the players benefit directly from it, or the company benefits from it by virtue of free advertising of their product (in the form of selling time codes). Those small losses are 'acceptable costs' of doing business, it can be looked at money being reinvested into the community.

The point where this all breaks down is when a 'community site' starts working on the basis of profit as a primary goal, not an an incidental to providing their community service. Now while everyone is quick to point fingers at Somer about their income, it is still all speculative. But the point remains, just where is the line before an entity turns into a forbidden 'business'?

Somer increasing the payout sure makes them look guilty, but a smart individual has data to cover their 'business'. If indeed the real life expenditures are much more than theorized, and the income is truly much smaller than speculated, Somer may have a leg to stand on, notwithstanding the illogical course of action after the new reseller directive.

I'm sure all of this is the main reason that CCP has kept quiet (even the GTC reseller policy chance was not officially announced); legal must be working overtime to sort this mess out while maintaining some sort of damage control.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#686 - 2013-11-03 17:03:27 UTC
I'm gonna just wait till someone brings this topic up at fanfest, all these somer this somer that threads, are really putting a negative approach on the community, especiall if new players see them.
IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#687 - 2013-11-03 17:06:10 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
I'm gonna just wait till someone brings this topic up at fanfest, all these somer this somer that threads, are really putting a negative approach on the community, especiall if new players see them.


You are going to be disappointing. CCP blatantly changes the subject or says "I'm not going to talk about that" in front of thousands of people when someone asks a question they don't want to answer. I'm not joking, they will straight up say they will not talk about something. So when this is brought up, they will just sidestep it and you will hear a bunch of screaming players at fanfest booing, but they won't give two fudges because what they honestly have to say would make everyone turn into a lynch mob.
Gary Bell
Therapy.
Brave Collective
#688 - 2013-11-03 17:43:17 UTC
I could care less about any of this I just wanna know if I go pour 200 bucks into GTCs is he gonna send me a Sheetload of extra isk.. Cuz if so HIghfive 0^o to Somer for hooking a brother up before the big man gets you down..

LOL all these angry nerds
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#689 - 2013-11-03 18:06:54 UTC
Gary Bell wrote:
I could care less about any of this I just wanna know if I go pour 200 bucks into GTCs is he gonna send me a Sheetload of extra isk.. Cuz if so HIghfive 0^o to Somer for hooking a brother up before the big man gets you down..

LOL all these angry nerds


Depends on a mixture of how lucky and clever you are. If you just blast it all on big blinks you could walk away with nothing or get lucky and blag a few capitals. Spread it over a few ~10m blinks or buy a large proportion of the tickets on a blink and you'd probably walk away with a reasonable bit of ISK.
Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#690 - 2013-11-03 19:20:03 UTC
Gary Bell wrote:
I could care less about any of this

So you care quite a lot then? I know some people who don't care at all, so they couldn't care less.

Personally although I have no issues with people making money from services, it does seem strange that where a player would be stopped outright they have given a grace period to somer and other resellers to squeeze every last bit of RL money from their ISK. Double standards are never good.

That aside, I must admit the numbers being thrown around for the RL profit somer has made are pretty impressive for something based around an imaginary economy.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#691 - 2013-11-03 19:41:55 UTC
Gary Bell wrote:
I could care less about any of this


Empty quote
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#692 - 2013-11-03 19:48:41 UTC
Gary Bell wrote:
I could care less about any of this I


So how much less could you care about it?

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YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
#693 - 2013-11-03 20:36:08 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Gary Bell wrote:
I could care less about any of this I


So how much less could you care about it?


Cared enough to go to the forums about it!
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#694 - 2013-11-03 20:38:16 UTC
Gary Bell wrote:
LOL all these angry nerds


LOL at someone who playes spaceship games using "nerds" in a derogatory sense.

Stones/glass houses, pot/kettle, and all that.

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Frying Doom
#695 - 2013-11-04 04:43:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
I just saw this on Jesters latest blog

Jester wrote:
Meanwhile, over much of this year, player discontent has centered on telling CCP how much they can help community leaders, and just how they can. I'm not saying this isn't a conversation worth having -- it definitely is! But would you want to jump into the stew as a community leader today, as things are now? I suspect the answer is "no", you'd want to keep your head down and stay out of it.

So shall it be.
Source--http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2013/11/blog-banter-50-changes.html

It reminds me of a child who has been caught doing something wrong and who refuses to go home and face his punishment.

CCP has allowed Somer to breach its EULA multiple times, encouraged the use of Somer Blink by allowing them into EvE Vegas and other events.

CCP needs to stop sulking like a little child apologize and actually enforce its own EULA, it originally put in place to safe guard the game it built.

Rather than sulking in a corner hoping it goes away.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Dilligafmofo
3WAYFOUNDATIONS
New Miner's Union
#696 - 2013-11-04 09:27:53 UTC
I have to smile at all the negativity around "Somergate", everyone whining about how much money somer has or hasn't made from Eve.

Just a thought folks. The guy that started this sh1tstorm, mr Mittani, how much extra money is he pulling from advertisers on his site due to everyone jumping in and reading updates on this rubbish?

I see no difference Mittens, and people in glass houses should throw stones!
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#697 - 2013-11-04 09:35:01 UTC
Dilligafmofo wrote:
I have to smile at all the negativity around "Somergate", everyone whining about how much money somer has or hasn't made from Eve.

Just a thought folks. The guy that started this sh1tstorm, mr Mittani, how much extra money is he pulling from advertisers on his site due to everyone jumping in and reading updates on this rubbish?

I see no difference Mittens, and people in glass houses should throw stones!

Lol no DNSBLACK started this and numerous blogs wrote about it.

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Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#698 - 2013-11-04 10:00:24 UTC
Dilligafmofo wrote:
I have to smile at all the negativity around "Somergate", everyone whining about how much money somer has or hasn't made from Eve.

Just a thought folks. The guy that started this sh1tstorm, mr Mittani, how much extra money is he pulling from advertisers on his site due to everyone jumping in and reading updates on this rubbish?

I see no difference Mittens, and people in glass houses should throw stones!


Blaming Mittens is the new talking point, I see. Or the new old talking point. Grr Goons.


Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#699 - 2013-11-04 10:08:42 UTC
Gary Bell wrote:
I could care less about any of this


BL further proving to appear 'good' at this game you just need 1 or 2 clever players and 100s just about able to muster the cognitive agility to remember a password containing at least one number.

This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.

Diva Ex Machina
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#700 - 2013-11-04 10:12:52 UTC
Dilligafmofo wrote:
I have to smile at all the negativity around "Somergate", everyone whining about how much money somer has or hasn't made from Eve.

Just a thought folks. The guy that started this sh1tstorm, mr Mittani, how much extra money is he pulling from advertisers on his site due to everyone jumping in and reading updates on this rubbish?

I see no difference Mittens, and people in glass houses should throw stones!


The main difference is (to my knowledge) Mittens isn't giving people ISK for reading their site.

Also, Adblocker.