Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You can hunt them in exactly the same way they hunt miners that hide in NPC corps.

I wasn't just talking about your idea, I was also refering to the thread.

But of course it's a nerf, that's why you suggest it. The issue we have is you focus on one play style, yet ignore others using the advantages NPC corps provide. Double standards at their finest.

Not only is that a bannable offence but as you can see I am not in an NPC corp and thus have nothing to gain from defending the gankers right to be in the very same NPC corp that miners use for protection.

So tell me, whats stopping you from hunting them down right now?

Well, right now "stuffing" a freighter with more than 1bil is suicide. So their cargo holds are useless as even if you place random T1 modules you will get 1 bil worth of loot with 150.000m3, the rest of 650.000m3 will always be empty.

I understand that you are trying to keep your way of earning ISK with no risk as it is, but you need to understand that EVE is all about risk.

I did not suggest making ships more durable, no. You should be able to gank them, but you should also risk losing just as much ISK as they do on occasion.

Even the best gankers should fail ganks on occasion, and when they do they should end up 1bil+ in the red. That would mean they are now risking their ISK.

As the mechanics are now, Suicide Gankers earn all the ISK with no RISK.

They are bulk carriers not high value carriers, there are other ships for that job.



Again, read through the list of punishments suicide gankers suffer every time they gank someone. No other activity has as many punishments.
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That would end the whole activity as its all for profit. You must spend less than you earn or its simply not a viable activity.



We do fail ganks, often in fact and no, bumping up the cost to a billion a go is simply allowing you to stuff more into your hold for no risk.

Your logic here is flawed.

Yes, compared to the number of missioners and haulers ganking is rare, but that is because there are not as many Suicide Gankers out there. Yet.

It has nothing to do with how profitable it is, all the dedicated Corporations doing Suicide Ganks are making a profit. As the guy above me said, they are in it for the profit. And i agree they should try to defend their way of earning, everyone does it.

But i still think some ganks should end up taking the gankers well in the red.

Don`t want a flat fine that would just raise the safety cap for haulers/people doing missions?

Then how CONCORD shows up in a random number of seconds, from 1-2 seconds to what the number is now for all systems? That would add risk for the gankers without raising the safety limit, as it would not be consistent.

That would cause ganks to fail and some victims might actually survive.

Deep in the red is not losing 15 mil.

Deep in the red is losing as much as your victim loses, divided by your number. For a 1.5bil freighter + 1bil cargo, divided by 20, as it takes 20 destroyers to gank it, that would mean 75mil loss per person if only the hull value is taken into consideration.

If you feel that 75 is too much, think about the victim, that loses 2.5bil per person. So you are complaining about each guy losing 75 mil, but since you are part of a Suicide Gank corp you don`t care that the victim in this case loses 33 times more isk per person.

And the victim has no potential to gain anything, the victim just loses the isk or gets to keep what is his.

The Suicide Gankers stand to actually make ISK or lose a lot less per person anyway. A lot easier to absorb compared to the victim that may not be able to recover for a while.

But ganks already DO fail and the "victims" DO survive.

And why should ganking be the only (legal) activity that can set people's wallets red?

Don't say it's "to add risk" gankers already undergo risk, just because they are good at managing it doesn't mean it's not there.

No my friend, you should not. You are in High Sec, under the authority of the Empires and protected by CONCORD.

CCP can not balance the game for everything, so some ships are susceptible to High Sec ganks, some more than others.

But in High Sec, we have CONCORD. Only problem is EVE has evolved and CONCORD has stayed the same. It`s time for CONCORD to wake up and punish the people ganking by setting a fine comparative to the hull cost.

You want to only lose what you invest? Go do actual PVP.

Suicide Ganking should be used as a last resort OR an interdiction tool. You want Corporation X to lose freighters/not be able to run missions and so on, Suicide Gank him. Yes you will lose some isk, but they will lose more and you are denying them the ability to move cargo or do missions.

There is no rule that says Suicide Ganking should be profitable. It is a tool and it should be allowed, but it is too powerful to be allowed while also making the Suicide Gankers rich.

So i say CCP should hit it with actual RISK or by simply forcing you to take an ISK loss directly related to the value of the target ganked.

You just want to pew pew people without hassle? Go do real pvp versus real pvp targets, stop ganking haulers/carebears mate. :-)

You seem to be unaware of the numerous changes to CONCORD over time.



Your proposal removes content from the game in exchange for... nothing.



If CCP didn't intend suicide ganking to be profitable, they'd have removed loot drops from ganking.



First off, gankers already have a lot of risks. They fly ships that die, no matter what. After some ganks they have to either rat up sec-status (or pay someone to hunt tags) or are locked out from flying slow ships (The police scrams -5 sec status characters). They can't rely on successful looting. Most gank ships are easily jammed out by cheap, disposable griffins. etc. etc.etc.

The second point I have already countered above.



Please keep e-honor bullshit out of Eve, it contradicts everything Eve stands for.