Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You forgot about high-sec sentry guns on gates that are ruthless to untanked dessies. Bumping target outside of sentry range is a lot of work.

What people whining about suicide ganking fail to understand is that it's not just twenty catalysts that hit F1 every fifteen minutes and instantly get ISK deposited into their bank accounts.

A successful freighter ganking fleet requires almost twice as many people as you seem to think. The actual killing bit is actually the least amount of work the fleet has. In addition to requiring vast numbers, people also need to be active and relatively knowledgeable (at least compared to most other money-making activities in Eve, where you really don't need to pay much attention at all). Bumping requires constant care to succeed, especially if the target is being webbed. Scanners need to micromanage targets in order to not miss freighters, which is quite the hassle during rush hour. And when you finally split the pinata, you need some way to reliably secure all that cargo and not lose your own freighters to scavengers while doing it.

With a full fleet of, say, 30 people, an individual pilot's income is significantly smaller than what you suggest it to be. From a very optimistic 3bn drop, which definitely is not the average but rather a very good drop, each pilot would make roughly 100m in cold, hard ISK. Now sure, that'd be very good money if you could reliably kill 6bn freighters every 15 minutes, but unfortunately (for the suicide gankers, at least) you're never going to find that expensive freighters that often.

With more a realistic average drop of 1bn-2bn, each pilot receives way less cash. The true average drop is probably about 1.5bn -- you can test this yourself by grabbing a Cargo Scanner and sitting on a gate (try Niarja), then punching the cargo scan results into a website that appraises them. You'll likely find the true average freighter to carry about 500m or less in cargo (and the median freighter would likely be empty), and depending on the hour you'll be lucky if you can find a 2bn-3bn freighter every fifteen minutes.

Not to mention that this all assumes an even cut. I think you'll find that people who must constantly be at work (such as scanners or bumpers), or the people who organise the fleet, will expect to get a larger share of the loot than Catalyst pilots who take a couple of fleet warps and hit F1 every 15 minutes.

Love the focus on freighter ganking here. The evil of gate guns, the hard hard work of looting, etc. One problem I see daily is the lone ganker or two that hop from system to system ganking miners day after day after day, all within the nice comfortable security of their NPC corp. Completely safe from war-decs, and safe from bounties placed on them due to how bounties work in high-sec.

I'd like to see the following:

If the user is in an NPC corporation, *and* if the user is in highsec, force the "safety" to green.

Doesn't change the fact that anyone with the guns to go after them is stuck with waiting until they are dumb enough to go into low-sec, which never happens.

Force them into actual corporations to do their "profession", so they have to risk being targets too, just like the miners they keep crying about wanting CCP to force into corporations so they can wardec them.

What are you so afraid of?

Sure thing, just as soon as miners are dumped out of NPC corps too.

The killright system was introduced and exists precisely for this reason -- to be able to "get back" at pirates and other outlaws outside of lowsec.

Every time someone suicide ganks a barge, the victim gets a killright on them. It's up to the miners to actually use it properly.

Gankers have wanted the best of both worlds for *years*. Constantly clamoring for Miners to be forced into player corps, never once stating they themselves should be brought under the same rules. So now that someone is suggesting something different, suddenly fairness is the big issue?

Oh, and I apparently had corp management trained. Feel free to dec me. At least you'll have to be in a player corp to do it.

Something different? You mean apart from all the other nerf ganking threads?

The joke is nerf NPC corp threads, are not a match on the number of anti gank threads. If they were, you could provide proof.

The other joke is that the biggest gank whine of late, is in regards to CODE. You know, a player Alliance?

They should also patrol mining belts and blow up ships that do not fit a tank.