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A Double Standard? (True Slave Foundations)

Author
DeadRow
State War Academy
Caldari State
#121 - 2013-11-02 03:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: DeadRow
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
"Hey, he may **** children for breakfast, but he's such an awesome guy to have a drink with and does such an effective job of moderating some FTL channel, it doesn't matter!"

I fail to see how that exaggerated example is any different than what the OP has said. Capsuleers have always held getting along with everyone in higher regard than actually sticking to our moral principles. I see absolutely no reason why I should tolerate the presence of a Sansha loyalist in person just because he's intelligent or suave. Many notorious rapists and serial killers are both of these.

All that being said, there are better fights out there.



Well there is one way to get rid of us. Come to Reynire and destroy our ****, wipe us from this Cluster and we won't populate 'your' channels any longer. I guess it's easier barking here than, Gods-forbid, Pilots do something about it.

And now to wait for the 'I wipe plenty of your kind out when your Master invades a constellation (in High Sec of course! Don't want to risk my shiny ship unduly!)' response.

~Hikari
xoxo

P.S; Heavenbound still wants to say Hi.
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#122 - 2013-11-02 04:28:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
While the Summit certainly has... Issues, to be certain, I wouldn't really mark this as one of them. Perhaps that's a result of how I've come to think of it as a platform.

In my opinion, it's better to think of the channel less as the "neutral forum" some people consider it (Especially since, realistically, such a thing never truly exists, since anything administered by human beings will always be susceptible to varyingly subtle degrees of bias - be they on cultural or more personal terms), and also less of the be-all and-end-all of Capsuleer conversation channel that others do, and more of a... Unique intellectual curiosity.

I'm hesitant to use the phrase "Social experiment" with how much it gets run into the ground, but even if it's not intentional, it's sort of become one with the sheer diversity of the current pool of visitors. Everyone saying so is quite right in that it's bizzare and rather disturbing to interact politely with individuals who openly confess to supporting and even commiting atrocities.

But really, the fact that we can do so at all is actually quite a profound novelty. Before the time of independent Capsuleers, and an existance in which one can get away with not fearing too many concequences, who could have hoped to learn anything remotely personal about ones sworn enemies? Who could have presumed to be able to have a casual debate about a trivial subject with someone who's innermost mindset is so fundementally and irrevocably divorced from ones own? As long as you remember who you're talking to and don't allow irrational empathy to kick in, It's a tremendous, if surreal, window into insight.

If you're a more military-minded sort, think of it this way, if you like - Understanding greatly enhances ones ability to defeat an enemy. I'm not speaking in terms of tactics or fleet compositions, but rather something a bit more intimate that can only be gained by observing people over prolonged periods of time, in a more personal fashion then, say, this discussion board. Peoples quirks, pet peeves, general manner of thought...

And as long as one stays aware of this greater context (That one is, quite literally, in a vipers nest at all times while in the channel) it is quite easy to keep the insight one-sided.

Or perhaps not. After all, it is just conversation.

Edit: Whoops! It looks as though I left the last word out of one of my sentences.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#123 - 2013-11-02 08:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Isis Dea wrote:
Moreso, how many of you knew that members of True Slave Foundations are actually moderators of The Summit, exercising their power to intervene the moment anyone brings up a subject they personally don't like?


Let me put on my grandmother's pearl necklace so I can properly clutch at it.

Just a second... this clasp is a bit hard to... okay, got it.

I am shocked. I am utterly and truly shocked to hear that there are members of the True Slave Foundation on the The Summit. Why, the Summit is a haven of refined conversation and fit only for those with proper breeding and manners. I cannot imagine how those of such low repute even managed to access the place!

Not to worry, I shall tell send a message to that fine gentleman, Captain Tiberious, and he will make sure such vagabonds and ne'er-do-wells are banned immediately.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#124 - 2013-11-02 09:39:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Iwan Terpalen
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
"Hey, he may **** children for breakfast, but he's such an awesome guy to have a drink with and does such an effective job of moderating some FTL channel, it doesn't matter!"

I fail to see how that exaggerated example is any different than what the OP has said [...]


Well, I'm pretty sure you've shot at State assets in the past. If all crimes are interchangeable, you telling me I should hold you in the same cold contempt as if you were slipping the tube-steak to that cute little daughter of yours? 'Cause hey, no skin off my back. Might be fun.
Lasairiona Raske
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#125 - 2013-11-02 10:42:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Lasairiona Raske
This seems like a shameful jab at people who work hard due to a disagreement.

Are you a devil or an angel

Sent here from heaven or from hell?

Sweet temptress, I'm wrapped in your tangles

Can't find my way out of your spell

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#126 - 2013-11-02 10:45:27 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
While the Summit certainly has... Issues, to be certain, I wouldn't really mark this as one of them. Perhaps that's a result of how I've come to think of it as a platform.

In my opinion, it's better to think of the channel less as the "neutral forum" some people consider it (Especially since, realistically, such a thing never truly exists, since anything administered by human beings will always be susceptible to varyingly subtle degrees of bias - be they on cultural or more personal terms), and also less of the be-all and-end-all of Capsuleer conversation channel that others do, and more of a... Unique intellectual curiosity.

I'm hesitant to use the phrase "Social experiment" with how much it gets run into the ground, but even if it's not intentional, it's sort of become one with the sheer diversity of the current pool of visitors. Everyone saying so is quite right in that it's bizzare and rather disturbing to interact politely with individuals who openly confess to supporting and even commiting atrocities.

But really, the fact that we can do so at all is actually quite a profound novelty. Before the time of independent Capsuleers, and an existance in which one can get away with not fearing too many concequences, who could have hoped to learn anything remotely personal about ones sworn enemies? Who could have presumed to be able to have a casual debate about a trivial subject with someone who's innermost mindset is so fundementally and irrevocably divorced from ones own? As long as you remember who you're talking to and don't allow irrational empathy to kick in, It's a tremendous, if surreal, window into insight.

If you're a more military-minded sort, think of it this way, if you like - Understanding greatly enhances ones ability to defeat an enemy. I'm not speaking in terms of tactics or fleet compositions, but rather something a bit more intimate that can only be gained by observing people over prolonged periods of time, in a more personal fashion then, say, this discussion board. Peoples quirks, pet pet peeves, general manner of

And as long as one stays aware of this greater context (That one is, quite literally, in a vipers nest at all times while in the channel) it is quite easy to keep the insight one-sided.

Or perhaps not. After all, it is just conversation.


You have a beautiful mind.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#127 - 2013-11-02 11:13:48 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:

I fail to see how that exaggerated example is any different than what the OP has said. Capsuleers have always held getting along with everyone in higher regard than actually sticking to our moral principles. I see absolutely no reason why I should tolerate the presence of a Sansha loyalist in person just because he's intelligent or suave. Many notorious rapists and serial killers are both of these.


I'd say my moral principles mean I regard a vast swathe of humanity that don't prescribe to Caldari cultural ideals as inferior, backwards, and regressive. My contempt and ability to engage as polite conversationalist however are not mutually exclusive.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#128 - 2013-11-02 11:21:43 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
You have a beautiful mind.


Um... I'm grateful for the compliment, of course, miss Farel, but I find myself at something of a loss regarding how to respond.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#129 - 2013-11-02 12:50:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
You have a beautiful mind.


Um... I'm grateful for the compliment, of course, miss Farel, but I find myself at something of a loss regarding how to respond.


I uh... am sorry... Nevermind.

My apologies...
Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#130 - 2013-11-02 13:14:05 UTC
I suddenly became fascinated by this thread.
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#131 - 2013-11-02 13:49:43 UTC
I have ranted and raged on the Summit, but never been "moderated" for that. In fact, the only time I have been banned from the Summit was for something done completely outside of the Summit. Furthermore, during that particular time, I was on the summit very little. However, a corp mate was raising a stink on the IGS and as a result one of the Summit moderators banned all of us from the Summit. It had nothing to do with the affiliation of the moderator. It had everything to do with the fact that what my colleague did on the IGS irritated the **** out of him. Moderators are human and the more involved they get, the more their humanity shows.

The problem with Summit moderators has nothing to do with their affiliation. As much as Nation adherents would like to think of themselves as above the noise of human emotion, frustration, and irritation, they are not. As such they are human and will make human judgments. As moderators, they will not be perfect. Their choices will vary from person to person in objectivity. Don't pretend that you go to the Summit for calm, reasoned, productive discussion. You go to the summit to be entertained by each others quirks. The moderators are just as quirky as any of us. Don't expect them to be "above it all."

SANKOFA

Valkarth Tlakotani
Confederation Navy
#132 - 2013-11-02 21:03:08 UTC
Hello
Having been lost in space for years, I return to find New Eden as vital and spiteful as ever.
My faith in humanity has been restored. I take exception however to the belief that only criminals can be found here.P
Greetings, Cardinal Graelen, it is good to see the word is still with us.

Valkarth Tlakotani
ex-GHSC
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#133 - 2013-11-02 21:54:11 UTC
Manwe Todako wrote:
I have ranted and raged on the Summit, but never been "moderated" for that. In fact, the only time I have been banned from the Summit was for something done completely outside of the Summit. Furthermore, during that particular time, I was on the summit very little. However, a corp mate was raising a stink on the IGS and as a result one of the Summit moderators banned all of us from the Summit. It had nothing to do with the affiliation of the moderator. It had everything to do with the fact that what my colleague did on the IGS irritated the **** out of him. Moderators are human and the more involved they get, the more their humanity shows.

The problem with Summit moderators has nothing to do with their affiliation. As much as Nation adherents would like to think of themselves as above the noise of human emotion, frustration, and irritation, they are not. As such they are human and will make human judgments. As moderators, they will not be perfect. Their choices will vary from person to person in objectivity. Don't pretend that you go to the Summit for calm, reasoned, productive discussion. You go to the summit to be entertained by each others quirks. The moderators are just as quirky as any of us. Don't expect them to be "above it all."



Actually your idiot friend was banished for 'spamming' with repetitious phrases involving some sort of protest over losing some ships or other nonsense. His intention was to cause a disturbance and bother the rest of the channel if I recall correctly, and he was removed.

Everyone is welcome until they decide their pet issues are somehow worthy of being a continuous disruption and ruining an otherwise convivial atmosphere among the other guests.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#134 - 2013-11-02 22:20:11 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Manwe Todako wrote:
I have ranted and raged on the Summit, but never been "moderated" for that. In fact, the only time I have been banned from the Summit was for something done completely outside of the Summit. Furthermore, during that particular time, I was on the summit very little. However, a corp mate was raising a stink on the IGS and as a result one of the Summit moderators banned all of us from the Summit. It had nothing to do with the affiliation of the moderator. It had everything to do with the fact that what my colleague did on the IGS irritated the **** out of him. Moderators are human and the more involved they get, the more their humanity shows.

The problem with Summit moderators has nothing to do with their affiliation. As much as Nation adherents would like to think of themselves as above the noise of human emotion, frustration, and irritation, they are not. As such they are human and will make human judgments. As moderators, they will not be perfect. Their choices will vary from person to person in objectivity. Don't pretend that you go to the Summit for calm, reasoned, productive discussion. You go to the summit to be entertained by each others quirks. The moderators are just as quirky as any of us. Don't expect them to be "above it all."



Actually your idiot friend was banished for 'spamming' with repetitious phrases involving some sort of protest over losing some ships or other nonsense. His intention was to cause a disturbance and bother the rest of the channel if I recall correctly, and he was removed.

Everyone is welcome until they decide their pet issues are somehow worthy of being a continuous disruption and ruining an otherwise convivial atmosphere among the other guests.


For Spamming the IGS not the Summit. It was within Thessalonia's power to ban from the Summit, so that's what he did. At the time there was little if any posting on the Summit. My point stands that it had nothing to do with affiliation with Nation. Ston got under Thessalonia's very human skin and that led to the ban. Its all public record.

SANKOFA

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#135 - 2013-11-02 22:43:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Manwe Todako wrote:
Stuff.

Counterstuff.


You're both right. He was spamming the IGS about losing a ship.

Either way, Manwe - I'll bring up the option of allowing you back in if you are still banned, since were banned only by association by the sounds of it.

Nevermind, looks like it's already expired. You're not banned.

Katrina Oniseki

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#136 - 2013-11-02 23:57:25 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Manwe Todako wrote:
Stuff.

Counterstuff.


You're both right. He was spamming the IGS about losing a ship.

Either way, Manwe - I'll bring up the option of allowing you back in if you are still banned, since were banned only by association by the sounds of it.

Nevermind, looks like it's already expired. You're not banned.


That ban was put up as a precaution for the duration of the wardec and was pulled down as soon as the war ended.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#137 - 2013-11-03 01:18:10 UTC
Just like a toaster to punish someone before the crime. I look forward to the day your component atoms are spread across space, along with the rest of your kind.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#138 - 2013-11-03 01:22:57 UTC
Of course, even considering the problems I've highlighted (and was summarily ignored, obviously) at least some scum has been kept out. Credit where credit's due.

At least the channel owner recognizes some of New Eden's worst inhabitants and remove them from the place.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#139 - 2013-11-03 04:14:23 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Is not Kim the one constantly waving around a vibrator on live-feed?

A gallente vibrator, I might add?

Gallente vibrator? Ah, you mean this thorax model, because thorax is a gallentean ship and because it vibrates?
Well, it is just a model to study exploitable weaknesses.
What's wrong with it?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#140 - 2013-11-03 20:25:07 UTC
Ivanneth Maethor wrote:
No offense to Ms Starfire, but Stormcrows are registered under Mordu's Legion.


You should do your research better, slave. Stormcrows as a corporate entity is not affiliated with the Mordu's Legion or any other entity for that matter. Each individual in this corporation has their own personal goals and loyalties. We define the corporation, but the corporation does not define us. Then again, I wouldn't expect a Nation slave to comprehend or to be able to handle the concept.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed