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Suggesting updated rules for highsec capitals

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#141 - 2013-11-01 17:38:44 UTC
So, one could be sold for market average price. As it won't cost more then one in lowsec/nullsec. Even if the reason of buying one is to do laps around stations for exercise.

I'd understand if someone was selling a Chimera for 10 Billion being an advantage. But what if someone wanted to sell one for 10-15 Mil cheaper then market price? Nothing would be broken nor any advantage would be given.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#142 - 2013-11-01 17:40:13 UTC
GM Spiral wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:
so what you are saying is...if I own a high sec cap ship and I decide to lave to game.. then sell my character on the bazaa.. what does one do with a cap ship you cannot trade owners??? personally I could careless if it is traded in high sec... the no pvp rule would still apply.

If you are leaving the game, why are you selling your character? That scenario aside, if you wanted to sell a character that actually included a high sec capital then we would appreciate if you would contact us beforehand and we'd consider options available.

An answer could be : " I have a friend who wants to keep playing and likes my character. So I plan on transferring him all my assets, selling him my character for 1 ISK, and leaving". From your reply above I guess such a player should contact the GMs to see if arrangements can be made.

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Ginger Barbarella
#143 - 2013-11-01 18:07:10 UTC
GM Spiral wrote:
We will be happy to review and reconsider said rules if that is what our community believes is something that needs to be done.


How about just move them all into low or null, irrespective of what they are used for? Problem solved.

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Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2013-11-01 19:34:39 UTC
Eve is a persistent universe. If things change, artifacts stay behind. Adapting everything to the NWO is the opposite of persistent.

On the other hand, that move could conceivably have happened in 2006 when the manufacturing lines have changed. In 2013/2014? Not so much.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#145 - 2013-11-01 19:42:21 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
GM Spiral wrote:
We will be happy to review and reconsider said rules if that is what our community believes is something that needs to be done.


How about just move them all into low or null, irrespective of what they are used for? Problem solved.

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Verite Rendition
F.R.E.E. Explorer
#146 - 2013-11-02 04:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Verite Rendition
I don't mind the new rules against ratting, but coupled with what you guys have done to the Phoenix over the last year it's kind of a downer. As the only real activity we're allowed to engage in, it's rather difficult to go mining in a ship that doesn't have drones and doesn't have a turret hardpoint.P
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#147 - 2013-11-02 04:54:21 UTC
im confused what if a said carrier in hs is mining and suicide gankers come in and try and gank him. can he shoot back or just die horrible. then again that would take alot of tornado's Shocked
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#148 - 2013-11-02 21:36:13 UTC
If you are mining in a dreadnaught, does activating a siege mod to prevent being bumped count as an unfair advantage?
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#149 - 2013-11-06 21:19:30 UTC
Astecus wrote:
This is a good question. To be honest, I don't really see why they could not be traded freely, just like every other unique/limited ship. In what situation would this become a problem?


Probably because it ensures that only people who know the rules, and know them well, have these highsec capitals.

Just more headaches for GMs if one of these gets traded to someone who doesn't understand the very specific, highly technical, and honestly hard-to-find "rules" that govern their use.

I am not an alt of Chribba.
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#150 - 2013-11-06 21:21:07 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
GM Spiral wrote:
We will be happy to review and reconsider said rules if that is what our community believes is something that needs to be done.


How about just move them all into low or null, irrespective of what they are used for? Problem solved.


It's like you didn't read the thread at all! Good job!

I am not an alt of Chribba.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#151 - 2013-12-01 19:26:46 UTC
Mining in cap ships in HS gives the users an unfair advantage, they can't be ganked or bumped. They should all be removed or other players should be allowed to have them. Alternatively ganking and bumping should be review.
I neither mine or can fly capital ships, but fair is fair.
Laserak
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2013-12-01 19:35:52 UTC
Capitals belong in 0.0, if they want caps in highsec then lets get bubbles and bombs there too Smile
James Noble
Metal Industries Company
#153 - 2013-12-01 20:45:06 UTC
Do it. Change is good.
NUBIARN
Brutal Ballerinas
#154 - 2013-12-01 22:20:02 UTC  |  Edited by: NUBIARN
personally don't really see why we couldn't have cynos and capitals in high sec, not supers just regular carriers and dreads, with the following proviso

It could be linked to you sec status with the empire you are in for both lighting a cyno and for jumping such as

1.0 sec - +10 standing with system empire
0.9 sec - +9 standing with system empire
0.8 sec - +8 standing with system empire
0.7 sec - +7 standing with system empire
0.6 sec - +6 standing with system empire
0.5 sec - +5 standing with system empire

that would make it very hard to jump across high sec but would allow pilot who have high enough standings with the relative empire faction to have a carrier or dread in high sec. why not you already proved loyal to the empire faction.

The building of capitals stays as it is, in low / null sec. personally I think this would be great for role playing, additionally link the race of capital to the system as well so only revs and archons could be in amarr high sec for example. if these steps where taken then all of the current limitations for high sec cap use could be done away with,
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#155 - 2013-12-01 23:30:03 UTC
GM Spiral wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Since a GM is floating around...

Might I ask, why is there a ban on the buying and selling of such things?

I'd jump at the chance to get one in highsec...

They are not supposed to provide any game play in high sec. We deemed this included possibly profiting from one by selling it. They are just for show, you can not profit or otherwise benefit from them. That is all.


Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
So, one could be sold for market average price. As it won't cost more then one in lowsec/nullsec. Even if the reason of buying one is to do laps around stations for exercise.

I'd understand if someone was selling a Chimera for 10 Billion being an advantage. But what if someone wanted to sell one for 10-15 Mil cheaper then market price? Nothing would be broken nor any advantage would be given.

Might I actually get a reply?

GMs?

I know you're in there...!

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#156 - 2013-12-01 23:52:39 UTC
GM Spiral wrote:

As we have stated we are fully open to suggestions and ideas on how we should handle these exceptions, or even if we should have these exceptions at all. If you feel strongly about this then please lend your opinion to the discussion.


Could you pretty please explain why it's not allowed to trade / buy those high sec capitals?

Some players have oceans of ISK and would love to collect one of those ships. I don't see anything exploitive into selling an hi sec capital to somebody else. Maybe limit it to 1 sale per year, but not to complete forbid!

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#157 - 2013-12-02 00:11:36 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
GM Spiral wrote:

As we have stated we are fully open to suggestions and ideas on how we should handle these exceptions, or even if we should have these exceptions at all. If you feel strongly about this then please lend your opinion to the discussion.


Could you pretty please explain why it's not allowed to trade / buy those high sec capitals?

Some players have oceans of ISK and would love to collect one of those ships. I don't see anything exploitive into selling an hi sec capital to somebody else. Maybe limit it to 1 sale per year, but not to complete forbid!

Refer to my post, just right above yours...

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#158 - 2013-12-02 01:16:31 UTC
Owning a highsec capital is the EvE equivalent of dating a girl with small hands.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#159 - 2013-12-03 11:02:32 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
GM Spiral wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Since a GM is floating around...

Might I ask, why is there a ban on the buying and selling of such things?

I'd jump at the chance to get one in highsec...

They are not supposed to provide any game play in high sec. We deemed this included possibly profiting from one by selling it. They are just for show, you can not profit or otherwise benefit from them. That is all.


Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
So, one could be sold for market average price. As it won't cost more then one in lowsec/nullsec. Even if the reason of buying one is to do laps around stations for exercise.

I'd understand if someone was selling a Chimera for 10 Billion being an advantage. But what if someone wanted to sell one for 10-15 Mil cheaper then market price? Nothing would be broken nor any advantage would be given.

Might I actually get a reply?

GMs?

I know you're in there...!

Can I get a reply?

Or do I have to flag my own post?

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#160 - 2013-12-03 21:36:06 UTC
GM Spiral wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
So since a player with a HS capital can never acquire an aggression flag with a cap and they cannot undock one during a war, the rest of us are denied the opportunity of destroying their HS capital ship. In eve destroying rare ships is an achievement - for confirmation just look at the destruction of the rev by "bl." Now we have a class of ships that cant be destroyed because of the "rules." Seems very short sighted, anti-sandbox and very un-eve like to me.


That is a valid point to an extent. That they are permitted to remain in high security space at all given the current game mechanics of capitals ships in EVE, they are already an anomaly. But historical reasons (see the events in 2008 quoted on the Evelopedia site) set the ball rolling in this direction. Ideas to revisit the option of moving them to low sec have been considered since them, but left alone for those same reasons.

These ships are showpieces and are simply not intended to take part in high sec game play in any way, and the current rules are aimed at keeping it that way. But the idea of simply abolishing the rules and letting what may come has been entertained, as have ideas of replacing them with de-militarised versions, or simply relocating them and have this episode closed. A viable solution that satisfies all (or most) parties simply has not been found and these ships are currently causing so little trouble as to negligible.

But rest assured, there will be no drastic changes to the current state of affairs without ample prior discussion with the community. The Veldnought scare of 2008 (as GM Grimmi put it) is still remembered.



Owners of these ships in HS mine in them, that is gameplay ??? they cannot be ganked or bumped away from the belts, that is unfair gameplay.. they can be used by owners to throw tantrums, go GCC and get popped, only to be replaced.. back in HS.. that is gameplay.. if I decide I am not happy with this unfair gameplay and undock my vindi in jita and smartbomb everyone.. will it be replaced like the carrier was ??? I will be most certainly be providing content for the community....
I would also like a "show piece" carrier in hs to mine with..