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Lame War Tactics?
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Takashi Kuritatomo
Frankenmouse Inc
Frankenmouse
#1 - 2013-11-01 17:17:40 UTC
So, my corp recently wardec'd The Icarus Expedition. It started out looking like some good fun. They were fighting, talking smack, etc. Of course, we knew one of their members; he was an ex-corpmate who was really annoying and had to be booted out of our corp - and who continued to cause trouble (which is why we wardec'd his corp).

Anyway, as they started to lose more and more, they resorted to some pretty lame tactics. Now, I must first admit I'm a noob, our corp is new, etc. - but this just seemed to strike me as weaksauce.

First, they undocked a shuttle several times in a row for us to blow up. Presumably, bringing down the average kill value during the war?

Finally, they managed to get a spy in our corp - but that spy didn't have any access to anything, or the ability to feed them any good information because of the security we maintained (how they got the spy in was uncommon - we don't typically allow new members during a war) - but since the spy couldn't do anything, they gave the spy a faction BS - and blew it up. Thus, bringing them to the front of the isk battle.

Again, I'm new - do a lot of corps feel the need to resort to such cowardly/desperate means when losing a war? They can't just acknowledge they've been bested? We've lost a ton of wars when we first started, but never felt the need for such tactics.

Just curious.

- Tak
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-11-01 17:30:32 UTC
War'dec types just always find something to complain about huh. A corp doesn't drop and there's still a problem.

I thought it was about the gudfites and fun, not the KDR and isk. What is this, Call of Duty suddenly??

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#3 - 2013-11-01 17:30:40 UTC
E-honour doesn't exist. Using every tool available is how to Eve Big smile
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#4 - 2013-11-01 18:00:31 UTC
Why does this bother you at all?

Suiciding a faction BS is nothing other than a hilarious waste of ISK on their part. Thinking that your KB stats determine whether you won or lost a war is naive and egotistical.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5 - 2013-11-01 18:03:41 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Why does this bother you at all?

Suiciding a faction BS is nothing other than a hilarious waste of ISK on their part. Thinking that your KB stats determine whether you won or lost a war is naive and egotistical.



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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#6 - 2013-11-01 18:07:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Also, I'd bet a monocle that the reason they did it isn't because they care about making you look like you "lose the war", but because they thought it would be funny to see your reaction.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#7 - 2013-11-01 18:07:28 UTC
What's "losing"? How does one "lose" a war? I'm confused.

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Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-11-01 19:41:13 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
What's "losing"? How does one "lose" a war? I'm confused.


TEST

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
Markus Auralias
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-11-01 20:21:41 UTC
OP, did you try having your citizen soldiers spam local? This is the best tactic for EVE conflict.
Ibn Khatab
Black Omega Security
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#10 - 2013-11-01 21:10:42 UTC
Takashi Kuritatomo wrote:
So, my corp recently wardec'd The Icarus Expedition. It started out looking like some good fun. They were fighting, talking smack, etc.


If I had to guess, I'd say this was the time while we were getting our fleet comp organized and still making mistakes. More commonly known as the part where you were winning the war. Adamantly we took some early losses, this was due to mistakes on our side, which we quickly rectified.

Takashi Kuritatomo wrote:

Of course, we knew one of their members; he was an ex-corpmate who was really annoying and had to be booted out of our corp - and who continued to cause trouble (which is why we wardec'd his corp).


First, this is an interesting statement considering that he left your corp because a good lot of your felt the need to bully a young man relentlessly. Secondly, the reasons given for the war to some of the well placed people within your alliance was because you "wanted a nightmare kill". Now, to set the record straight after you bullied the young man to the extent that his interest in the game began to wane, he was not "booted out of the corp" rather he left to join my corp.

Takashi Kuritatomo wrote:

Anyway, as they started to lose more and more, they resorted to some pretty lame tactics. Now, I must first admit I'm a noob, our corp is new, etc. - but this just seemed to strike me as weaksauce.


Actually we were only taking any real losses in the first engagement, after that our tactics were set and pilots taught a method that worked well the remainder of the war.
"weaksauce" was you lot hiding in station behind our other war-targets, and this post in general.

Takashi Kuritatomo wrote:

First, they undocked a shuttle several times in a row for us to blow up. Presumably, bringing down the average kill value during the war?


What happened here was simple, I undocked an orca with a maintenance bay full of shuttles. I then launched the shuttles, all 80 of them. Then I undocked in a noobship and shot at some random guy in the undock path. This caused me to get concorded, and for concord to subsequently kill each and every shuttle. This was for the pretty light show. It was good fun and got local, which was dead at the time, to get chatting again. Near the end of of that process, we noticed that one of your corp members had moved a tornado out of station and was getting in place to camp. So I undocked my orca again and dropped 80 more shuttles then we undocked and killed said tornado, that was a plain and simple guerilla style distraction method. Which I must say worked flawlessly, and we added another Tier 3 to our killboards. The 4th in 2 days as I recall.

Takashi Kuritatomo wrote:

Finally, they managed to get a spy in our corp - but that spy didn't have any access to anything, or the ability to feed them any good information because of the security we maintained (how they got the spy in was uncommon - we don't typically allow new members during a war) - but since the spy couldn't do anything, they gave the spy a faction BS - and blew it up. Thus, bringing them to the front of the isk battle.
Again, I'm new - do a lot of corps feel the need to resort to such cowardly/desperate means when losing a war? They can't just acknowledge they've been bested? We've lost a ton of wars when we first started, but never felt the need for such tactics.


Actually, she was the second spy. The first is still in your corp and will remain there. The simple fact that you would allow someone into corp when they had such an obvious link back to us was pitiful at best. Most of us didn't expect it to work, and we've had many lolz about the fact that it happened. The purpose of that spy was simple to gather intel from places & times, when the other could not. Which she did with great success. I will admit that she wasn't able to get the Intel I most wanted but she provided many great insights. Now the Fleet Issue Typhoon we blew her up in, as Kahega Amielden said, was purely for the lolz and in hope of tears.

If our tactics were cowardly or desperate it is because they were catered to the war we were fighting. As soon as we started putting kills on the kill report you lot at frankenderp simply hid behind the war-targets which actually presented us with a challenge. We won't acknowledge we've been "bested" because we havn't we won the war, we made you look like idiots and cowards and now were back home in our WH. It was fun spending time out in empire killing people but it gets boring after a while. Get used to losing wars you'll be doing a lot of it in the future.

Now stop being so butt hurt, go back to training your fleet and teaching your pilots how to not do such stupid **** as mining during a war with a snake set in their head. This way the next time your lot are war-targets, we can use a proper set of tactics. That way we can play the game at our level and not yours.
Takashi Kuritatomo
Frankenmouse Inc
Frankenmouse
#11 - 2013-11-01 21:39:36 UTC
Now stop being so butt hurt, go back to training your fleet and teaching your pilots how to not do such stupid **** as mining during a war with a snake set in their head. This way the next time your lot are war-targets, we can use a proper set of tactics. That way we can play the game at our level and not yours.[/quote]

Actually, I'm not butt-hurt. I really didn't care either way; I just play a game and was curious as to what your reasoning on the things you did may have been and was looking for some insight. Now I know - and I appreciate your lengthy response, which gives me much to consider.

Oh - and yes, our guys (and myself) still have a lot to learn - which is why I ask questions. I'm also not always the most diplomatic (very busy with RL), which is why I have someone else in the corp handle diplomacy, so apologize if I sounded rude or whatnot in my original post.

Thanks!

- Tak
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-11-01 21:55:38 UTC
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
What's "losing"? How does one "lose" a war? I'm confused.


TEST


Winning the ISK war since fountain

Come at me bro
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#13 - 2013-11-02 02:58:36 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
What's "losing"? How does one "lose" a war? I'm confused.


TEST


Winning the ISK war since fountain

Come at me bro

nobody cares, wrong thread to.

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Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#14 - 2013-11-02 04:33:49 UTC
Takashi Kuritatomo wrote:
So, my corp recently wardec'd The Icarus Expedition. It started out looking like some good fun. They were fighting, talking smack, etc. Of course, we knew one of their members; he was an ex-corpmate who was really annoying and had to be booted out of our corp - and who continued to cause trouble (which is why we wardec'd his corp).

Anyway, as they started to lose more and more, they resorted to some pretty lame tactics. Now, I must first admit I'm a noob, our corp is new, etc. - but this just seemed to strike me as weaksauce.

First, they undocked a shuttle several times in a row for us to blow up. Presumably, bringing down the average kill value during the war?

Finally, they managed to get a spy in our corp - but that spy didn't have any access to anything, or the ability to feed them any good information because of the security we maintained (how they got the spy in was uncommon - we don't typically allow new members during a war) - but since the spy couldn't do anything, they gave the spy a faction BS - and blew it up. Thus, bringing them to the front of the isk battle.

Again, I'm new - do a lot of corps feel the need to resort to such cowardly/desperate means when losing a war? They can't just acknowledge they've been bested? We've lost a ton of wars when we first started, but never felt the need for such tactics.

Just curious.

- Tak

The fact that they actually spent ISK just to get ahead on stats pages is ******* hilarious. What a waste of ISK hahahaaha

I discourage running with scissors.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-11-02 04:37:00 UTC
Ibn Khatab wrote:


What happened here was simple, I undocked an orca with a maintenance bay full of shuttles. I then launched the shuttles, all 80 of them. Then I undocked in a noobship and shot at some random guy in the undock path. This caused me to get concorded, and for concord to subsequently kill each and every shuttle. This was for the pretty light show. It was good fun and got local, which was dead at the time, to get chatting again. Near the end of of that process, we noticed that one of your corp members had moved a tornado out of station and was getting in place to camp. So I undocked my orca again and dropped 80 more shuttles then we undocked and killed said tornado, that was a plain and simple guerilla style distraction method. Which I must say worked flawlessly, and we added another Tier 3 to our killboards. The 4th in 2 days as I recall.


Just BTW...

That Shuttle spam thing can be petitioned.

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Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#16 - 2013-11-02 05:21:55 UTC
Posts war dec thread about defenders not admitting defeat.
Complains that they are using dishonabru tactics.
Declares that they don't care.

10/10 and a hat tip to OP for a refreshingly good troll thread.

The moar you cry the less you pee
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2013-11-02 19:48:26 UTC
Takashi Kuritatomo wrote:
So, my corp recently wardec'd The Icarus Expedition. It started out looking like some good fun. They were fighting, talking smack, etc. Of course, we knew one of their members; he was an ex-corpmate who was really annoying and had to be booted out of our corp - and who continued to cause trouble (which is why we wardec'd his corp).

Anyway, as they started to lose more and more, they resorted to some pretty lame tactics. Now, I must first admit I'm a noob, our corp is new, etc. - but this just seemed to strike me as weaksauce.

First, they undocked a shuttle several times in a row for us to blow up. Presumably, bringing down the average kill value during the war?

Finally, they managed to get a spy in our corp - but that spy didn't have any access to anything, or the ability to feed them any good information because of the security we maintained (how they got the spy in was uncommon - we don't typically allow new members during a war) - but since the spy couldn't do anything, they gave the spy a faction BS - and blew it up. Thus, bringing them to the front of the isk battle.

Again, I'm new - do a lot of corps feel the need to resort to such cowardly/desperate means when losing a war? They can't just acknowledge they've been bested? We've lost a ton of wars when we first started, but never felt the need for such tactics.

Just curious.

- Tak


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Garmon
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance
#18 - 2013-11-03 18:07:36 UTC
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#19 - 2013-11-04 06:54:26 UTC
Salicaz wrote:
E-honour doesn't exist. Using every tool available is how to Eve Big smile



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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#20 - 2013-11-04 11:34:47 UTC
We enjoyed our war with the new friends Frankenmouse got in their alliance.... Twisted

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