EVE General Discussion

Already did when the issue came up (damned long-term subscription plans...).

Can't really say I regret it, given the only people left will be gambling-addicted sheep.

Eve lives and dies with its playerbase - now if that solely consists of simpletons being to dumb to call a phone-sex hotline when they feel lonely and fire up eve instead, it's not a big loss.

CASH OUT NOW

I just got off the phone with a Markee representative, they said they are having more sales in the past 24 hours than in the past 6 months.
It's essentially going to be first come first serve.

/sarcasm

Oh no Somer isn't involved in "redacted"
Somer isn't a business operating in breach of the EULA

IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN EVE!!!

RMT has been around since MMORPGs were created. It is better controlled and regulated by CCP better than any game developer in history. As it stands, other developers are adopting CCP's PLEX model for in-game currency.

You are not CCP. Stop playing the victim for their behalf.

Your tinfoil hattery and over-dramatization of this issue is indicative of the problems that have gone on for years in game because people like you want to turn Jerry Springer and see the next T20 so you can say that you were apart of the big conspiracy back in (insert date here) . If you spent half of your posts on subjects that make a difference in the game rather than try to make CCP out to be some kind of red devil with a halo, you MIGHT be a constructive part of the community.

As you prefer to waste your time on issues that just makes you appear to be the person on the megaphone leading a civil rights march because you feel personally violated, you are not a part of the solution, but part of the problem.

I bought 4 60 day GTC giving me 5 billion in blink credit,
converted it to 7 plexes and a zealot contrated to jita lol

If anyone ever had any doubt that this was an RMT operation, it should be completely gone now.

yeah but you need to buy every slot on the plex, I couldnt click to win them all fast enough

*sigh*

I don't want any of that, but I'm a realist. There's no point in wishing for something when realistically it's never going to happen.

Once again, RMT is already legally incorporated into the game by CCP in the form of PLEX. It doesn't matter one bit where the money for said currency goes. A player gets a financial boost in-game and whether that currency comes from China, Somer or CCP makes no difference what-so-ever. The only difference is where the real money ends up. CCP accepted that RMT is part of their game but apparently the players didn't. And yes the RMT works both ways since it's just as easy to cash out your EVE assets as it is to cash in. The latter not being legal, obviously. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen on a large scale.

The EULA, strictly speaking, is a set of ruled set up for the end user. Since CCP is the entity who created those rules they are also the entity who are able to change them whenever they want. You can demand CCP follow their own rules all you want, but if they really want to push something they'll just end up changing the rules to suit their needs.
CCP has the power to create exceptions to the whatever rule they please. They looked at Somer and all the others sites and corps offering incentive for buying GTC and, as a company, decided that was an acceptable situation. Or maybe their interpretation of their own rules is different from the interpretation of the community. And between the two, I think the former knows best how the EULA is meant to be interpreted. Whatever the reason, CCP choose to accept the GTC situation as acceptable. And personally I believe that, since they are the game's creators, they have the right to make those kind of decisions. You may think it's unfair. But CCP is a company, not a government. And the EULA is a one way set of rules, not a democracy. The fact that CCP listened to the public outcry around Somer means they care. So be glad. They could just as easily have ignored the situation and be well within their right to do so.

And no-one wants EVE to die, but there are a lot of individuals playing this game who believe they are entitled to boss CCP around on matters like this. They believe that just because they pay a monthly fee they should be part of this pretend democracy and get an equal vote in everything. That their opinion is just as valid and important as the developers. That simply isn't true. As a gaming community we are blessed to have a developer who is willing to listen to us and consult us on so many different issues. I can honestly not think of any game developer who is as engaged with their customers as CCP. But somewhere along the line people started taking that engagement for granted. People take it for granted so much that when CCP goes "thanks for thinking along, but this is non of your business" people go on a complete rampage and demand to be listened to.

I can appreciate that people have a serious connection to a game some spent over 10 years of their life playing. But let's not lose focus and keep in mind that EVE Online is still a game. It's a piece of software, not real life. CCP is not a democratically elected government, they are a company with a bottom line to manage. You don't get to vote on a different company to take over EVE development next year (thank god). But if anyone insists on comparing CCP to our government body, I suggest comparing them with a dictatorship that is open to suggestions but reserves the right to throw them straight into the paper shredder.

That's my realistic view on things. Doesn't mean I agree with all of it. But if you want even the smallest remote possibility of any of this changing then try approaching the game developer, your 'dictator', with a little bit of respect. Paying $17,50 a month doesn't entitle anyone on the planet to treat a person the way some people around this place treat/talk to CCP developers. It's sickening, really.

Here you go, CCP, since you decide to censor me, despite the obvious support to my statements.

Because I am a Lou Reed fan, may he rest in peace.

Just a perfect day...
Getting censored in G-D...
And then, later...
When the dictatorial ISD leaves...
We will post again.

Just a perfect day...
Feed the trolls in the G-D zoo...
Then later...
A blink or two...
SOMER still milking the broken rules...

Oh...it's...such...a perfect day...
I'm glad I spent it writing for you...
Oh...such a perfect day...
You just keep me trucking on...
You just keep me posting on...

Just a perfect day...
Problems all left alone...
Complacent and ignoring facts...
It's such fun...

Just a perfect day...
You made your "favorites" above all else...
I thought we were all supposed to...
Follow the rules?

Oh...it's...such...a perfect day...
I'm glad I spent it writing for you...
Oh...such a perfect day...
You just keep me trucking on...
You just keep me posting on...

You're going to reap...just what you sow...
Incarna wasn't enough...you need much more...
It's clear transparency is not what you hold...
Less than three years later...you just let it all go.

OPEN YOUR EYES, AND MAKE EVERYONE FOLLOW THE SAME RULES. BAN SOMER FOR THEIR INSULTS TO YOUR COMPANY, YOUR GENEROSITY IN GIVING THEM A CHANCE TO SHINE, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY TO YOUR PLAYER BASE.

Seriously, the complacency is ridiculous.

Are you actually reading these posts or are you just not able to wrap your head around the connection between RMT and PLEX?