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So yeah sentrys OP much?

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Icer Xx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-11-01 20:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Icer Xx
So as part of the nightmare in new eden i brought my archon to triage for some fun. I was getting primed by everyone so I refitted to some bulkheads and a DC. So the incomeing damage got me to 10% armor and then Poof....

I was confused for a few days on how my kill mail Makalu Zarya and Serotta doing more then 100k more damage then the rest of the isthars.


Upon looking at my logs I found this:

http://i.imgur.com/72nEQ3h.png

Note the single sentrys hitting for over 120k each on 60% resists.

Video Proof

Just wanted to make this public. I'm not in anyway saying PL had any high jinx I think something to do with CCP since one of the chimeras we shot was only taking 20 damage from a sentry drone 10km from him.


Just some food for taught

Yes the loss has now been petitioned to see what happened.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#2 - 2013-11-01 20:33:34 UTC
Icer Xx wrote:
So as part of the nightmare in new eden i brought my archon to triage for some fun. I was getting primed by everyone so I refitted to some bulkheads and a DC. So the incomeing damage got me to 10% armor and then Poof....

I was confused for a few days on how my kill mail Makalu Zarya and Serotta doing more then 100k more damage then the rest of the isthars.


Upon looking at my logs I found this:

http://i.imgur.com/72nEQ3h.png

Note the single sentrys hitting for over 120k each on 60% resists.

Video Proof

Just wanted to make this public. I'm not in anyway saying PL had any high jinx I think something to do with CCP since one of the chimeras we shot was only taking 20 damage from a sentry drone 10km from him.


Just some food for taught

Yes the loss has now been petitioned to see what happened.


Drone assist tactix are OP, plz tell me more.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3 - 2013-11-01 20:48:12 UTC
You should mail them over Xbox live and pretend to be a GM saying 'that you knw their ussing Hax and there working on making U banned 4 it."

Make sure you use **** uneducated texting grammar when you do it too..because that makes it super legit.


Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#4 - 2013-11-01 20:57:49 UTC
btw, Icer's spelling of "Thought" is correct in Irish, it's just the way he says it.

Also, this is pretty ridiculous to be honest! I don't really understand the OP Curator II.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-11-01 21:00:50 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
You should mail them over Xbox live and pretend to be a GM saying 'that you knw their ussing Hax and there working on making U banned 4 it."

Make sure you use **** uneducated texting grammar when you do it too..because that makes it super legit.





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Khrane
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-11-01 21:17:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Khrane
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

Drone assist tactix are OP, plz tell me more.



Why troll the OP?

There is a bug/exploit here.

21 Ishtars are not going to do 250k+ damage to a 60% minimum resisted archon in the span of 1 second.

Also that damage log shows damage per drone not groups.

One of the persons in question also profited from this bug/exploit:

"Serotta wins 1 Vindicator for top damage on the most expensive loss, Icer Xx's Archon. Donated by SOMER Blink."
Sala Cameron
Free-Space-Ranger
#7 - 2013-11-01 21:52:19 UTC
We've noticed this as well and brought the problem forward to CCP, so they're aware of it.
Icer Xx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-11-01 21:58:45 UTC
Thanks Sala I knew i voted for you for a reason :P

Also why u no do more rag videos -.-
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2013-11-01 22:06:09 UTC
Dem crits

~

Icer Xx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-11-01 22:08:09 UTC
Full crit build Isthars to stronk.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#11 - 2013-11-01 22:19:04 UTC
Icer Xx wrote:
Full crit build Isthars to stronk.


There's a bit of a difference between "too strong" and "incredibly broken". Looks like Makalu needs to stay out of sentry Ishtars for while to avoid CCP discovering his secret sauce.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#12 - 2013-11-02 00:38:10 UTC
This is CCP getting its hull kill thing wrong again, and possibly only for sentries, rather than all weapon types.

ie I imagine your logs don't have any giant hits on shield or armor.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-11-02 00:42:10 UTC
It's possibly intentional ..



to compensate for the general shittiness that typically identifies drone performances and usability
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#14 - 2013-11-02 00:43:33 UTC
Icer Xx wrote:
So as part of the nightmare in new eden i brought my archon to triage for some fun. I was getting primed by everyone so I refitted to some bulkheads and a DC. So the incomeing damage got me to 10% armor and then Poof....

I was confused for a few days on how my kill mail Makalu Zarya and Serotta doing more then 100k more damage then the rest of the isthars.


Upon looking at my logs I found this:

http://i.imgur.com/72nEQ3h.png

Note the single sentrys hitting for over 120k each on 60% resists.

Video Proof

Just wanted to make this public. I'm not in anyway saying PL had any high jinx I think something to do with CCP since one of the chimeras we shot was only taking 20 damage from a sentry drone 10km from him.


Just some food for taught

Yes the loss has now been petitioned to see what happened.


You're about a year late on the sentry/drone assist thing m8
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-11-02 00:52:22 UTC
Hopefully you get the Archon back. This is clearly not working as intended and CCP's logs should show that.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-11-02 00:53:46 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
You're about a year late on the sentry/drone assist thing m8

You didn't even read his post. He's not even talking about their normal function. He seems to have discovered a bug which monumentally (and game-breakingly) inflates the sentry's ability to deal damage.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Lupo diCotze
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-02 01:03:30 UTC
While it looks glitchy and something awry server side - you were in armor - so only 15% resists from the DC II - not 60%.

Aren't the figures in the log showing dmg after resists have been taken into account?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-11-02 01:15:54 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Lupo diCotze wrote:
While it looks glitchy and something awry server side - you were in armor - so only 15% resists from the DC II - not 60%.

Aren't the figures in the log showing dmg after resists have been taken into account?

And after armor comes structure, hence the 60% resist.
He also had 3(?) reinforced bulkhead IIs, bringing his structure HP up to 335,693.

The two sentries hit for 129,893 and 121,148 damage after resists. If this damage were done entirely to structure it would have been about 314,000 average raw damage per sentry.

Just to demonstrate how ridiculous this is: a Bouncer II on a fully skilled Ishtar with 5x "Unit W-634's Drone Damage Amplifier" has a volley damage of 654, which means in the very best case scenario you'll get wrecking shots 1% of the time for 1,962 damage (before resists). Not 300,000+ damage.
Even if every sentry had a wrecking shot (which has a (0.01 ^ 5) = 1 in 10 billion chance of happening) it would only deal 9,804 damage total. And then it would show five wrecking shots, not just one.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#19 - 2013-11-02 01:36:18 UTC
While it is obvious that something really bizarre happened with that attack, and the damage from those drone were many orders of magnitude than they should be, I can't see this as a systemic problem.

If it was systemic with Sentry damage, surely it would have been picked up by now, given how long people have been using Sentries and Ishtars.

What were the unique conditions that created this damage?
Lupo diCotze
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-11-02 01:47:06 UTC
Aye - I'm aware that structure come after armor :p

Here's the kill mail and the likely fitting of one the the parties.

iirc the dmg done on the killmail is the cumulative dmg - rather than the killing blow.
Subtracting those large dmg shots from the killmail damage done leaves 7778 which is about par for the other participants.

The T2 reinforced bulkheads would have brought structure HP up to around 236k with 3 of them (before resists are taken into account).

I'm not saying there isn't an issue with the dmg shown in the log - something appears off - but at 10% armor the resist are much lower. If both shots hit when the armor was still at 10% ish - and if the remainder of the dmg was applied without taking into account the diff resists from the DC on structure - then it kinda adds up.
Which in turn helps understand where the problem might be.
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