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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#221 - 2013-11-01 21:50:30 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Somer is breaking the rules, while they were thought of as a community site that is one thing, they have now shown they are a business and must GO!!!
Lol


Yeah? Guess what? CCP made the rules. CCP gets to decide to whom they apply. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the army of forum trolls who somehow think they got a seat on the CCP board of directors.

CCP could be pulling a T20 scandal times 1000 and you'd still just have to sit here and take it because at the end of the day it's their game and they decide how to manage it. Don't like it? Biomass.


Just because "they decide to whom apply the rules to" doesnt mean Im not supposed to voice my opinion.

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Frying Doom
#222 - 2013-11-01 21:51:47 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Somer is breaking the rules, while they were thought of as a community site that is one thing, they have now shown they are a business and must GO!!!
Lol


Yeah? Guess what? CCP made the rules. CCP gets to decide to whom they apply. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the army of forum trolls who somehow think they got a seat on the CCP board of directors.

CCP could be pulling a T20 scandal times 1000 and you'd still just have to sit here and take it because at the end of the day it's their game and they decide how to manage it. Don't like it? Biomass.

So your of the opinion that CCP should just throw the rules such as this out the window.

EULA wrote:
(2) Termination of EULA

CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) you fail to pay the fees when due; (ii) CCP is unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide; (iii) you or anyone using any of your Accounts materially breaches the EULA, makes any unauthorized use of the System or Software, or infringes the rights of CCP or any third party; or (iv) CCP becomes aware of game play, chat or player activity under your Account that is, in CCP's discretion, inappropriate, offensive, or in violation of the Rules of Conduct. Such termination shall be effective upon notice transmitted via electronic mail, or any other means reasonably calculated to reach you.

CCP reserves the right to terminate any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the closed Account. Termination by CCP under this section shall be without prejudice to or waiver of any and all of CCP's other rights or remedies, all of which are expressly reserved, survive termination, and are cumulative. You will not be entitled to receive a refund of fees for a termination pursuant to this section.

You may like the idea of playing a game where nothing you do will ever mean anything.

But I for one do not. What about selling all of your alliances accounts off to someone else for cash, all your assets, characters, the lot. After all it is their game and they can do what ever they want according to you.

This is why so many people do not like favoritism and people being allowed to breach the EULA, not because they hate EvE but because they like the game and want to continue playing it.

And no one will play a game where it is unbalanced towards some people who are allowed to "Redacted" and break the EULA, while others are not.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#223 - 2013-11-01 21:54:08 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Somer is breaking the rules, while they were thought of as a community site that is one thing, they have now shown they are a business and must GO!!!
Lol


Yeah? Guess what? CCP made the rules. CCP gets to decide to whom they apply. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the army of forum trolls who somehow think they got a seat on the CCP board of directors.

CCP could be pulling a T20 scandal times 1000 and you'd still just have to sit here and take it because at the end of the day it's their game and they decide how to manage it. Don't like it? Biomass.


You don't have to take anything, you can voice your displeasure in the 'unsubscribe' form (among other places). I've held out for long enough, always hoping that despite their blunders, CCP would 'see the light'. But enough is enough. The only decision left for me is whether to evac my stuff to empire or if I care that much.

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Frying Doom
#224 - 2013-11-01 22:03:28 UTC
Amazons screw up has nothing to do with a business having an account within the game or that same business operating a "redacted" service.

Nor does the market price of Plex matter at all to this discussion.

As to how much I play the game, that has nothing to do with it either, but I do play the game, just not as much as I used to as there is this thing called real life.

You of course may not know it.

You support "redacted", you support businesses operating in EvE, good for you.

I do not, nor do I support direct breaches of the EULA, which apparently you do.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Protovarious
The Neocom Network
#225 - 2013-11-01 22:18:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Protovarious
Frying Doom wrote:
Amazons screw up has nothing to do with a business having an account within the game or that same business operating a "redacted" service.

Nor does the market price of Plex matter at all to this discussion.

As to how much I play the game, that has nothing to do with it either, but I do play the game, just not as much as I used to as there is this thing called real life.

You of course may not know it.

You support "redacted", you support businesses operating in EvE, good for you.

I do not, nor do I support direct breaches of the EULA, which apparently you do.

YOU brought PLEX into the agrument, twit!
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"Redacted" effects everyone who plays this game, buys plex, ect... It is after all a player run economy and when it is out of whack it effects everyone. It also effects anyone with a gambling problem as they turn their cask into blink credits.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#226 - 2013-11-01 22:33:17 UTC
They still at it? How much bonus per gtc are they at now

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Protovarious
The Neocom Network
#227 - 2013-11-01 22:35:05 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
They still at it? How much bonus per gtc are they at now

Last I saw, 1 Bil for a 60 day GTC.

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#228 - 2013-11-01 22:52:28 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
What I don't get, is why CCP didn't just come out and say: "Yup, these transactions increase GTC sales, and so they're a-OK."

Instead they went through a ton of effort to prevent individuals from using the exact same mechanic Somer used. Now, Somer is doing exactly what others wanted to do (cashing out 1bil incentives into hard currency), and CCP is ok with it.

CCP, if you're ok with this practice (1 bil incentives facilitating cash-outs), that's fine. We totally get that this helps your bottom line, and that's good. Just let everyone else do it too. Be consistent for once.

I think a bit of honesty and transparency would've saved you guys a world of trouble (and revenue). Try it next time.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#229 - 2013-11-01 23:12:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always This time I let some a lot of edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The rules:
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4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

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I will forget about rule #21 for now, otherwise I would have to remove half the thread or close it entirely.....Blink

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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#230 - 2013-11-01 23:13:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
TigerXtrm wrote:


Yeah? Guess what? CCP made the rules. CCP gets to decide to whom they apply. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the army of forum trolls who somehow think they got a seat on the CCP board of directors.




So? Guess what? The players fund CCP. The players decide to whom they give their money. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the CCP board of directors.

TigerXtrm wrote:


CCP could be pulling a T20 scandal times 1000 and you'd still just have to sit here and take it because at the end of the day it's their game and they decide how to manage it. Don't like it? Biomass.



That's where you qualify to join my corp - I don't have to sit there and take it, because in the end of the day, it's their game and if I don't like it, they can keep it.

If they don't like it, they can get back to sell Incarna, Dust 90210 or rotten shark (and tbh I'd be more tempted to invest in rotten shark rather than CCP given their recent conduct).
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#231 - 2013-11-01 23:18:33 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
stuff'n'rulez

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Mac Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#232 - 2013-11-01 23:23:16 UTC
People in here keep quoting that CCP hasn't changed the EULA but instead changed the rules with their resellers. While that may be the case at the present time how do you know they won't change the EULA after November 7th once their resellers have time to adjust etc. Seems silly to update a EULA when you still have activity going on that is legal until the 7th. Secondly to my knowledge this letter sent to resellers hasn't been made public so everyone is operating under the words of something said at the very least via second hand.

My point is you can't use that as an argument until the dust settles and we see if the rules truly don't change.
AnUnskilled Pilot
Doomheim
#233 - 2013-11-01 23:31:01 UTC
Im trying to cash out... but my card is not being accepted by Markeedragon...
Has it been flagged as a scam??

Anyone having similar problems??
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#234 - 2013-11-01 23:31:13 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:


Yeah? Guess what? CCP made the rules. CCP gets to decide to whom they apply. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the army of forum trolls who somehow think they got a seat on the CCP board of directors.




So? Guess what? The players fund CCP. The players decide to whom they give their money. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the CCP board of directors.

TigerXtrm wrote:


CCP could be pulling a T20 scandal times 1000 and you'd still just have to sit here and take it because at the end of the day it's their game and they decide how to manage it. Don't like it? Biomass.



That's where you qualify to join my corp - I don't have to sit there and take it, because in the end of the day, it's their game and if I don't like it, they can keep it.

If they don't like it, they can get back to sell rotten shark (and tbh I'd be more tempted to invest in rotten shark rather than CCP given their recent conduct).


Pretty sure.... Yup, pretty sure that EVE Online would still happily exist if everyone who ever whined about this entire SOMER thing quit all their accounts right now. So please go ahead and quit, with this amount of whining I'm sure the community will be better for it.

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Ariel Dawn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#235 - 2013-11-01 23:33:15 UTC
Neat how this is the same group of people that CCP deemed worthy enough to hand out (before community protest) unique ships worth crazy amounts of in-game currency. Definitely a class act!
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#236 - 2013-11-01 23:33:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Baali Tekitsu
Mac Munoz wrote:
People in here keep quoting that CCP hasn't changed the EULA but instead changed the rules with their resellers. While that may be the case at the present time how do you know they won't change the EULA after November 7th once their resellers have time to adjust etc. Seems silly to update a EULA when you still have activity going on that is legal until the 7th. Secondly to my knowledge this letter sent to resellers hasn't been made public so everyone is operating under the words of something said at the very least via second hand.

My point is you can't use that as an argument until the dust settles and we see if the rules truly don't change.

Im certain they didnt expect things to turn like this and wouldnt have granted so much time if they did.

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#237 - 2013-11-01 23:42:09 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:


Yeah? Guess what? CCP made the rules. CCP gets to decide to whom they apply. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the army of forum trolls who somehow think they got a seat on the CCP board of directors.




So? Guess what? The players fund CCP. The players decide to whom they give their money. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the CCP board of directors.

TigerXtrm wrote:


CCP could be pulling a T20 scandal times 1000 and you'd still just have to sit here and take it because at the end of the day it's their game and they decide how to manage it. Don't like it? Biomass.



That's where you qualify to join my corp - I don't have to sit there and take it, because in the end of the day, it's their game and if I don't like it, they can keep it.

If they don't like it, they can get back to sell rotten shark (and tbh I'd be more tempted to invest in rotten shark rather than CCP given their recent conduct).




Pretty sure.... Yup, pretty sure that EVE Online would still happily exist if everyone who ever whined about this entire SOMER thing quit all their accounts right now. So please go ahead and quit, with this amount of whining I'm sure the community will be better for it.


"Its their game they make the rules everybody who feels disappointed about how things are handled is a whiny *****"
yup we got it, had it several times in this thread already.

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Protovarious
The Neocom Network
#238 - 2013-11-01 23:45:10 UTC
Ariel Dawn wrote:
Neat how this is the same group of people that CCP deemed worthy enough to hand out (before community protest) unique ships worth crazy amounts of in-game currency because people are dumb enough to pay for a nerfed ship worth 1 trit with a paint job.

Fixed.

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Protovarious
The Neocom Network
#239 - 2013-11-01 23:47:39 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
"Its their game they make the rules everybody who feels disappointed about how things are handled is a whiny *****"
yup we got it, had it several times in this thread already.

About as many times as people have posted the EULA section that Somer's supposedly violating.

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#240 - 2013-11-01 23:49:00 UTC
Protovarious wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
"Its their game they make the rules everybody who feels disappointed about how things are handled is a whiny *****"
yup we got it, had it several times in this thread already.

About as many times as people have posted the EULA section that Somer's supposedly violating.


You didnt pod me yet by the way

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