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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#2401 - 2013-11-01 19:28:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
CCP Rise wrote:

Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength (maybe this should be a rounder number? right now it follows the t1 bonus)

With the Buzzard & T3's having 10% per level bonus on Scan Prob strength this gives me ::sadpanda::

Buff this or take away a highslot and add a 6th midslot so I can add a Scan Rangefinding Array module along with shield tank?

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Role Bonus: +10 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers

Why not +15 to make this ship special for exploration?

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Amarr Cruiser Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists

Ugh, bonuses s/b shield. You want 3x drone damage amps and a DC for a drone boat like this, leaving you 1 for an armor tank?

I think a lot of angst would go away if you posted an actual sample fit that could do a) relic/data sites awesome and b) 6/10 combat sites also... Because right now why wouldn't I stick with a T3?

Would you like to know more?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2402 - 2013-11-01 19:37:24 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

I think a lot of angst would go away if you posted an actual sample fit that could do a) relic/data sites awesome and b) 6/10 combat sites also... Because right now why wouldn't I stick with a T3?


make the fit yourself. I have fits (both shield and armor) that can handle 6/10s easy (a bit pricey though). And you can use the space depot to refit for data/relic.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2403 - 2013-11-01 20:29:07 UTC
For those asking about the price, the Astero (currently on Sisi) is 30k LP and 15 Mill Isk.
The Stratios is 150k LP and 30 Mill Isk

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Powers Sa
#2404 - 2013-11-01 20:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Powers Sa
Anyone want to tell me why you can't fit covert cynos on either the astero or the stratios?
Just incase you thought people weren't going to want to fit these: WE DO WANT TO FIT THESE.

Stratios is going to make for ballsy bait. People are going to try and do want to counter drop bad bait pilots. I promise.

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SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#2405 - 2013-11-01 20:37:51 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
Anyone want to tell me why you can't fit covert cynos on either the astero or the stratios?
Just incase you thought people weren't going to want to fit these: WE DO WANT TO FIT THESE.

Stratios is going to make for ballsy bait. People are going to try and do want to counter drop bad bait pilots. I promise.


It is particularly strange that right after they made it so that all ships that can fit CovOps Cloaks could also fit CovOps Cynos, that they'd immediately release an exception.
Kalissis
#2406 - 2013-11-01 21:12:46 UTC
Covert Cyno is a must, there is no reason why not! Or will it be OP? No it wont how would it be compared to any T3 anyway.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2407 - 2013-11-01 22:19:22 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
For those asking about the price, the Astero (currently on Sisi) is 30k LP and 15 Mill Isk.
The Stratios is 150k LP and 30 Mill Isk


Is that for the actual ship or for a BPC? Is there a BPC option at all that costs less?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2408 - 2013-11-01 22:24:08 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
For those asking about the price, the Astero (currently on Sisi) is 30k LP and 15 Mill Isk.
The Stratios is 150k LP and 30 Mill Isk


Is that for the actual ship or for a BPC? Is there a BPC option at all that costs less?

That is the BPC option, there is a ship option that costs more isk and LP

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Powers Sa
#2409 - 2013-11-01 23:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Powers Sa
So I just got back from sisi and did some 1v1's with the asteros and stratios. The stratios as a uboat is pretty solid. I won one and lost 2 with my dual rep AB asteros (comedy fit that actually works based on a dual rep enyo). The two I lost were vs a Kronos and stratios in one fight, and a dram in another. I rematched the dram once my overview was fixed (we were in fleet) and beat him. Let me tell you about AAR reloads and 16% structure right as the reload ended.

I didn't bother trying any tackle/dropping scenarios with the asteros since you can't cov cyno fit it.

When I get more goons on, we'll goon-cannon some of these hoes out of a sin or redeemer onto some of those dumb carriers/dreads sitting on the beacons.

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2410 - 2013-11-02 00:09:27 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
When did the covert cyno get dropped? Didn't read an announcement? Has anyone tried to fit them in SISI?

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#2411 - 2013-11-02 00:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Buff the Stratios's cargo capacity from 550 m3 to 600 m3 to facilitate it's role as a long-range, long-duration pve exploration cruiser.

Or at least to anything over 585 m3. Twisted
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2412 - 2013-11-02 02:52:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Buff the Stratios's cargo capacity from 550 m3 to 600 m3 to facilitate it's role as a long-range, long-duration pve exploration cruiser.

Or at least to anything over 585 m3. Twisted


Now I'm curious just what it is that takes up exactly 585 m³ of cargo space.
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#2413 - 2013-11-02 03:39:18 UTC
Just test drove the new ships on Sisi.

The graphics effect when you activate cloak on the Stratios is sick as fork.

OMG so awesome.
Powers Sa
#2414 - 2013-11-02 04:56:21 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
When did the covert cyno get dropped? Didn't read an announcement? Has anyone tried to fit them in SISI?

Please refer to my BALLER SCREENSHOTS
Asteros
Stratios
I took these from SISI.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2415 - 2013-11-02 05:01:45 UTC
Has anyone tried to blops bridge them yet?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2416 - 2013-11-02 07:29:07 UTC  |  Edited by: elitatwo
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Has anyone tried to blops bridge them yet?


Please repeat after me,
this boat is not for hotdropping, this boat is not for hotdropping,....

Both of them fit a covert ops cloak just fine.

The Astero drops a gun for the cloak, the Stratios doesnt but she lacks somewhat in the damage department.

I knew the nerf was premature.

When the ship was announces, I imagined a cloaky Vexor with lasers instead of blasters and what I have seen on SiSi yesterday was a little bit sad.

If you drop the armor resist bonus, you can make full use of the drones and shield tank the boat and (I really hate to say that) if you put 3-4 autocannons on you might have a chance in dropping NPCs a bit until you lost all your drones and have to get back home.

If you use lasers on the boat, they will get you not very far - 112dps with 34km optimal scorches. I imagine beams will be worse but with more range.

What I would like to see is a little more focus on lasers and drones in maybe a 45 : 55 split with lasers : drones.
I mean you already did it right with the Vexor and she is a 900dps cruiser and not op.

If you make use of the armor bonus you end up with a 580dps boat and all EFT warriors scream op, the end of the world.
BUT,
a 1000dps Vigilant is "fine" and a 700dps Cynabel is "fine" - both of them are not op??

Please think about the boat again and keep in mind that it is first and foremost a pirate cruiser, an improvement of an improvement of a specialized one.

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Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
#2417 - 2013-11-02 07:32:01 UTC
I thought it was made quite clear: Cynos cannot be fit. It can jump but cannot lite.

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Shadow Cartel
#2418 - 2013-11-02 10:00:27 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Has anyone tried to blops bridge them yet?


Please repeat after me,
this boat is not for hotdropping, this boat is not for hotdropping,....

Both of them fit a covert ops cloak just fine.

The Astero drops a gun for the cloak, the Stratios doesnt but she lacks somewhat in the damage department.

I knew the nerf was premature.

When the ship was announces, I imagined a cloaky Vexor with lasers instead of blasters and what I have seen on SiSi yesterday was a little bit sad.

If you drop the armor resist bonus, you can make full use of the drones and shield tank the boat and (I really hate to say that) if you put 3-4 autocannons on you might have a chance in dropping NPCs a bit until you lost all your drones and have to get back home.

If you use lasers on the boat, they will get you not very far - 112dps with 34km optimal scorches. I imagine beams will be worse but with more range.

What I would like to see is a little more focus on lasers and drones in maybe a 45 : 55 split with lasers : drones.
I mean you already did it right with the Vexor and she is a 900dps cruiser and not op.

If you make use of the armor bonus you end up with a 580dps boat and all EFT warriors scream op, the end of the world.
BUT,
a 1000dps Vigilant is "fine" and a 700dps Cynabel is "fine" - both of them are not op??

Please think about the boat again and keep in mind that it is first and foremost a pirate cruiser, an improvement of an improvement of a specialized one.


Its all about the cloaks mate. Noone suggested even once that it was OP based on its combat abilities alone.

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Powers Sa
#2419 - 2013-11-02 10:04:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Powers Sa
elitatwo wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Has anyone tried to blops bridge them yet?


Please repeat after me,
this boat is not for hotdropping, this boat is not for hotdropping,....

Hey guy who doesn't pvp: Don't tell me how to fly a new ship. Next you're going to tell me they are not for combat.

Also if this is a cool exploration ship, what if i want to light a cov cyno and jump my PVE sin around a gatecamp to run plexes/sites?
(LOL PVE SINS EXIST F THE HATERS)

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Shadow Cartel
#2420 - 2013-11-02 10:09:45 UTC
Also i think having 70k ehp and around 600 dps more than qualifies this as something for hotdropping along with blops.

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