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Somer Blink - Asked to stop but have got worse!

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MetaMorpheus Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2013-11-01 20:03:02 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:


A game that has rules, otherwise it wouldnt be a game.
And those rules are supposed to make sure that everyone has fun and should be applied equally.
But they were not and thats what its all about.



Right, and so when it became apparent to CCP that this whole GTC bonus thing was an issue, they could have banned every character involved in Somer. And every character who used RMT to prove Somer was RMTing. And every bonehead that bought PLEX from Poetic Douchebag. And on and on and on.

Instead, they just nipped the issue at it's root, ending GTC bonus selling. And what was the response?



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That monocle looks ridiculous. 
Ryhss
#202 - 2013-11-01 20:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryhss
I honestly missed something. I had unsubbed for like 6 months. What did Somer do that has everyone's panties in a bunch? Really, don't be retardeded, I was gone from Eve.

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#203 - 2013-11-01 20:05:28 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
And still absolutely no word from CCP on this? Not even an announcement regarding these changes that come into effect nov 7th?


Somer Blink still has a bunch of assets to RMT firesale off first, wouldn't want immediate CCP action to get in the way of that.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#204 - 2013-11-01 20:11:34 UTC
MetaMorpheus Jones wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:


A game that has rules, otherwise it wouldnt be a game.
And those rules are supposed to make sure that everyone has fun and should be applied equally.
But they were not and thats what its all about.



Right, and so when it became apparent to CCP that this whole GTC bonus thing was an issue, they could have banned every character involved in Somer. And every character who used RMT to prove Somer was RMTing. And every bonehead that bought PLEX from Poetic Douchebag. And on and on and on.

Instead, they just nipped the issue at it's root, ending GTC bonus selling. And what was the response?



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And now back to the topic of the thread:
While all people doing a similar thing like SOMER put down their bonus program immediatly after being asked to do so the only website being endorsed as ******* community friendly and generally siqq sh!t didnt put their program down but intensified it proving that theyre actually the last ones caring about anything that has to do with the health of the game and community and only care about $$$. And thats why everybody went "qqqq".
I hope my english aint too bad

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Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#205 - 2013-11-01 20:26:05 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:

There is a reason I used the Mr. Pibb analogy.

You can look up Acts of Gord and Mr Pibb and you'll see some comedy he did in order to offload the rest of the Mr Pibb :-). This kinda happened in real life. That and I like Acts of Gord :-)


Bonus points for making the reference, negative points for the reference not really being applicable in this situation.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#206 - 2013-11-01 20:32:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
Jorden Ishonen wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:

There is a reason I used the Mr. Pibb analogy.

You can look up Acts of Gord and Mr Pibb and you'll see some comedy he did in order to offload the rest of the Mr Pibb :-). This kinda happened in real life. That and I like Acts of Gord :-)


Bonus points for making the reference, negative points for the reference not really being applicable in this situation.


+ Bonus points for knowing who Gord is :-)

And actually its relevant in this sense.

The whole "Search" never happened cause the guy knew Gord. He evaded the issue.

Eventually it caught up to him. It was more silly comedy than anything else, but rules don't get enforced unless someone actually goes out to enforce them, or scream about them. That agent had to go MASSIVELY out of their way in order to get the whole Mr Pibb issue addressed. Silly and Vindictive, but it took a massive outcry from the community, and a continuous outcry, to address this blaring issue with the RMT/Somer/EULA stuff.

Yaay!!!!
Frying Doom
#207 - 2013-11-01 20:32:36 UTC
How normal is this situation

CCP freely Skye with someone actively engaged in "Redacted" and tell them their decision, while not even bothering to talk to the players at all.

Then to top it all off they have decided that Somer should be immune from the EULA and will not be banned for breaching it as well as rubbing CCPs nose in it.

This is a for profit business, deliberately abusing the grace period they were given.

Why they should have a grace period, when they are acting with no grace, humility or decency is beyond me.

What I want to know is while all these shady back room discussions are going on where the bloody hell is the CSM and Internal Affairs. Two groups that are supposed to stop this crap.

Well I think CCP has done a wonderful job of showing that the CSM and Internal Affairs are just window dressing and nothing more.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#208 - 2013-11-01 20:35:47 UTC
I just want everyone to know, that if you plan on unsubbing or biomassing due to any part of this scandal, remember, Unsuccessful at Everything has perma-dibs on your stuff.

Please make sure all contracts are sent to me, and my certified stuff storage technicians will ensure that all of your belongings will be properly stored in our climate controlled warehouses.

For everyone that uses my services, you will be credited back 200m Unsuccessful Credits for use at a later date. Unsuccessful credits are completely independent of ISK and therefore carry no risk of banhammering due to the hording of UC.

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MetaMorpheus Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2013-11-01 20:36:49 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:



And now back to the topic of the thread:
While all people doing a similar thing like SOMER put down their bonus program immediatly after being asked to do so the only website being endorsed as ******* community friendly and generally siqq sh!t didnt put their program down but intensified it proving that theyre actually the last ones caring about anything that has to do with the health of the game and community and only care about $$$. And thats why everybody went "qqqq".
I hope my english aint too bad



You are surprised by this turn of events. I am not. Was it the endorsement alone that lead you to thinking of Somer as some kind of altruistic humanist organization? Was it the Scorpion giveaway?

I remember CCP doing a SomerBLINK Community Spotlight a while back, and thinking then "Man, I guess they'll endorse just about anybody . . . "

CCP's Public Relations leaves something to be desired. It always has. They have always been a bit ham-fisted in their approach to problems. They've always managed to stumble over their collective dicks to get something right. It was your mistake in thinking that CCP''s "endorsement" had anything at all to do with what kind of people ran SomerBLINK, or that it in anyway reflected where Somer's priorities were.

That monocle looks ridiculous. 
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#210 - 2013-11-01 20:39:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Baali Tekitsu
MetaMorpheus Jones wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:



And now back to the topic of the thread:
While all people doing a similar thing like SOMER put down their bonus program immediatly after being asked to do so the only website being endorsed as ******* community friendly and generally siqq sh!t didnt put their program down but intensified it proving that theyre actually the last ones caring about anything that has to do with the health of the game and community and only care about $$$. And thats why everybody went "qqqq".
I hope my english aint too bad



You are surprised by this turn of events. I am not. Was it the endorsement alone that lead you to thinking of Somer as some kind of altruistic humanist organization? Was it the Scorpion giveaway?

I remember CCP doing a SomerBLINK Community Spotlight a while back, and thinking then "Man, I guess they'll endorse just about anybody . . . "

CCP's Public Relations leaves something to be desired. It always has. They have always been a bit ham-fisted in their approach to problems. They've always managed to stumble over their collective dicks to get something right. It was your mistake in thinking that CCP''s "endorsement" had anything at all to do with what kind of people ran SomerBLINK, or that it in anyway reflected where Somer's priorities were.


Not being surprised about things doesnt mean one should not voice his dissatisfaction.

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I dont think this mistake is my fault.

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Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#211 - 2013-11-01 20:41:44 UTC
MetaMorpheus Jones wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:


Its somer, its always legit.



Perhaps this is the root of the problem. You, and many others, assumed that whatever Somer was doing, it was legit, and then when the facts proved otherwise, you were outraged.


Many of us who have posted on the various (and seemingly never ending) threads about Somer, assumed from the getgo that a gambling site in Eve Online was a scam.

So, our collective response to you is "Well, no sh!t, Sherlock. This is Eve. What the hell did you think it was?"




Scamming people for ISK is legit.

Scamming people for RL money is not.

It's that simple.
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#212 - 2013-11-01 20:51:57 UTC
Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Somer is just making a sensible business decision. They see that their main source of incoming customers is going to close down, so they are trying to get a large influx of customers in now, while they come up with a new way to attract people. Its a sensible business decision for a in game organisation to do, it just happens that this also makes them some dollahs.


Yes, it was a sensible business decision. It's too bad that using EVE accounts to facilitate a business is against the EULA.

Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Nothing like banning people for stuff they have been told is allowed.


So far as I am aware, this practice has always been against the EULA (or at least for as long as SOMER has been in business). If you have eveidence to the contrary, please share it (a lack of enforcement does not equate with permission).

MetaMorpheus Jones wrote:
This subject took a turn for the worse long, long before I commented on them. The fact is that players of your ilk have been crying and whining about "unfair" and "favoritism" and all sorts of nonsense from the moment this issue broke the surface. It is not enough that CCP reversed their decision on the "special" ships for Somer's EveVEGAS activities, it is not enough that CCP decided to curtail the GTC bonuses, it is not enough that SomerBLINK can no longer conduct business as they have been used to doing, and in fact, the forum warriors see the fact that CCP gave the affiliates 10 days to comply is further evidence of collusion and conspiracy.


You hit the nail on the head here but somehow arrived at the completely wrong conclusion: SOMER Blink was "conduct[ing] business," which is clearly against the EULA. They've been running a business which has reportedly grossed well over $135,000; a business which is promoted and utilized through their in-game activities (exchange of ISK and items). How is this not a violation? What possible defense is there for this?

For anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, here is the relevant passage from the EULA:

Quote:
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited.


Frankly, I'm shocked that Somer et al. were not banned outright once the truth of their business came to light. Just because CCP not only permitted, but also endorsed this operation in the past does not mean that they cannot turn around now and take appropriate action.

I would recommend that all players who are upset over this issue begin issuing petitions reporting Somerset Mahm and all other characters associated with this business as being in violation of the EULA. Cite the business clause, and point to the relevant articles that illustrate the business connection.

If people make enough of a stink about this, then just maybe CCP will actually take action (I know it's a longshot, but at this point, it's about all I can come up with).

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Protovarious
The Neocom Network
#213 - 2013-11-01 21:15:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Protovarious
I'm podding any and all people who post that paragraph from the EULA again like they've somehow received their law degree and have Perry Mason'ed everyone. We get it. Move along.

CCP allowed it.

Forum warriors, certain Podside guests, DJ Funkybacon, Poetic Stanziel, and crusaders bored in-game ran with it.

Nobody else gave a **** until CCP wanted to use Somer for prize distributions to the community.

Above named parties became internet attorneys until they stirred up the next Kony2012.

If this many people would've spoken up about important in-game issues, they'd be fixed by now. Instead, they want to forum rage about something that does NOT affect them in any way unless they've played Blinks and lost isk. By the logic process that says anyone defending Somer must be a Somer alt, I can use the same logic and dictate that all who rage about Somer must be gambling addicts who've lost fortunes playing Blinks and are butthurt about it.

See? I can do it too.

You all are tools feeding off each other's rage. Put down the mic and move on.

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#214 - 2013-11-01 21:21:06 UTC
Protovarious wrote:
I'm podding any and all people who post that paragraph from the EULA again like they've somehow received their law degree and have Perry Mason'ed everyone. We get it. Move along.





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Frying Doom
#215 - 2013-11-01 21:28:05 UTC
Protovarious wrote:
I'm podding any and all people who post that paragraph from the EULA again like they've somehow received their law degree and have Perry Mason'ed everyone. We get it. Move along.

CCP allowed it.

Forum warriors, cartain Podside guests, DJ Funkybacon, Poetic Stanziel, and crusaders bored in-game ran with it.

Nobody else gave a **** until CCP wanted to use Somer for prize distributions to the community.

Above named parties became internet attorneys until they stirred up the next Kony2012.

If this many people would've spoken up about important in-game issues, they'd be fixed by now. Instead, they want to forum rage about something that does NOT affect them in any way unless they've played Blinks and lost isk. By the logic process that says anyone defending Somer must be a Somer alt, I can use the same logic and dictate that all who rage about Somer must be gambling addicts who've lost fortunes playing Blinks and are butthurt about it.

See? I can do it too.

You all are tools feeding off each other's rage. Put down the mic and move on.


No, no one examined Somer Blink closely until CCP started to give them Hundreds of Billions of isks worth of ships, big difference. I don't think CCP looked at them past how much money they were getting.

"Redacted" effects everyone who plays this game, buys plex, ect... It is after all a player run economy and when it is out of whack it effects everyone. It also effects anyone with a gambling problem as they turn their cask into blink credits.

An unlicensed gambling website is hardly what CCP should associate with and yes it is gambling, you can put cash in and get plex and in-game services out.

While you may not be a Somer alt, you are doing a good job acting like one.

Oh and
EULA wrote:
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited.


Somer is breaking the rules, while they were thought of as a community site that is one thing, they have now shown they are a business and must GO!!!
Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#216 - 2013-11-01 21:32:01 UTC
Protovarious wrote:
I'm podding any and all people who post that paragraph from the EULA again.


EULA wrote:
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited.


Come at me bro!






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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#217 - 2013-11-01 21:37:58 UTC
Protovarious wrote:
I'm podding any and all people who post that paragraph from the EULA again.


EULA wrote:
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited.



I am with Doc Fury on this one. I will be patiently awaiting your idle threats. Big smileTwistedRoll

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#218 - 2013-11-01 21:39:43 UTC
Well now people are speculating that somer blink will close on the last day, taking all the isk, cash, etc with the. In one massive theft...

What do they have, some trillions, + stuff, + what can only be estimated in $200,000 in cash.

Somer has 0 reason to stay open. They made bank, have isk, all they have to do is offload the rest, and skip town.

What's about to happens going to be funny..


To be honest, I actually contemplated buying gtc for a moment. In the end I don't want to condone what they are doing, but CCP is making quite allot of cash right now... And in all reality, the community won't be mad at CCP, they'll be mad at somer...

Content created, CCP made a few million bucks this past week, players got duped...


All is well...

Yaay!!!!
Frying Doom
#219 - 2013-11-01 21:39:48 UTC
And of course not forgetting

EULA wrote:
B. Selling Items and Objects

You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions, newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.


While CCP may have turned a blind eye to Somers "Redacted", I doubt anyone there actually looked into Somer fully.


  • Whois Data protected via Panama
  • Name Servers Hidden
  • Unlicensed Gambling site
  • A business not a Community Site
  • No real world contact details listed
  • Sign up only available from within EvE Online


No I doubt CCP really looked at Somer at all.

Bottom line is they are conducting "Redacted" operations, which are against the EULA and they are a business which is also a breach of the EULA.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#220 - 2013-11-01 21:43:50 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Somer is breaking the rules, while they were thought of as a community site that is one thing, they have now shown they are a business and must GO!!!
Lol


Yeah? Guess what? CCP made the rules. CCP gets to decide to whom they apply. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the army of forum trolls who somehow think they got a seat on the CCP board of directors.

CCP could be pulling a T20 scandal times 1000 and you'd still just have to sit here and take it because at the end of the day it's their game and they decide how to manage it. Don't like it? Biomass.

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