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Somer Blink - Asked to stop but have got worse!

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2013-11-01 15:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Argus Sorn wrote:
https://twitter.com/somersetmahm/status/396090063248818176

If it is true, this makes me sick. Genuinely sick.

i don't do twitter/facebook myself, but i've seen other screens of **** like that. invitations to dinners and the like. real chummy stuff. i'm sure they are all on first name basis.

also, i saw your post in the channel. didn't take long for them to kick you did it Lol
der Senf
Doomheim
#122 - 2013-11-01 15:25:08 UTC
Keep calm and don't Blink.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#123 - 2013-11-01 15:30:15 UTC
Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Why is everyone hating on Somer?

I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?

Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did.

I'd agree to it if it wasn't an idea breaking the rules. Unlike SOMER some of us actually follow the rules.



Somer's been in operation for years.

Isn't is funny that once CCP give them some shiny ships all of a sudden everyone 'realises' that what they have been doing is RMT and 'breaking the rules'.

I'm sure CCP are really happy that you have figured out a player run organisation that's been doing the same thing for years is actually breaking the rules.
The items situation only called for Somer to be looked at more closely. It's when we began to look more closely that we realised what they were doing. Obviously Somer players are the ones with the most exposure to Somer so they may have noticed it and not said much. But when those of us that do not play Somer are suddenly told they are some beacon of the community, sure, it makes us pay attention.
This rule should have been enforced from day 1, but it wasn't and that's now fixed. But Somer pushing sales even harder is clearly not the right thing to do. All of the other site that had incentives have immediately packed up, as they should. Somer instead chose to make a last effort to make as much cash as possible. That shows they have no respect for the rules and no respect for the community.

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Kamii Yo
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#124 - 2013-11-01 15:32:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kamii Yo
you make me sick CCP.

This is precisely the problem. This favouritism and inability to admit fault will be the downfall of your company and all your games. Stop meddling in your "free" and "open" sandbox game. Haven't you had enough lessons in this subject? You continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. I have never seen such an inept development team.

You are so lucky there is no other space sim mmo game out there....the second there is you'll regret all this idiocy. Just make the damn game. Make us more features. Focus on your core content. Focus on expanding the universe - giving us more and more tools to build empires. That is the BEST gift you can give ALL your playerbase without pissing on anyone (and really...it'll just encourage people to continue doing their community activities without giving them free ships).

Sheesh...this isn't difficult at all. You guys are so clueless....
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#125 - 2013-11-01 15:36:13 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:

Sometimes the symbolic value of an act is all that really matters.

If you don't remember Dianabolic's posts in the context of this thread then you will of course not realize the significance of bragging about having CCP employees on your IM.


Aaaaaaand the T20 link is made.

Way to cover your bases CCP.



Damn, really wanted to read that devblog but like so many others (the $1000 pants one) it got "missing".
What was it again "the winners will write the past"?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#126 - 2013-11-01 15:39:10 UTC
When the forum is absolutely flooded to capacity with crybaby threads from account which have had their RMT ISK removed, I just want to reassure the public, that I, Unsuccessful at Everything, will be there to troll them all.

In a world, where your leaders have failed you, I wont.


Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

MetaMorpheus Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2013-11-01 15:42:18 UTC
Kamii Yo wrote:
you make me sick CCP.


You, and ppl like you, make me sick. For all the HTFU and WOW is that way crap that gets spewed on this forum, never have I seen such a collection of entitled, self-important whiners. For the vast majority of Eve players, this SomerBLINK nonsense has exactly ZERO impact on their game.


Please, CCP, don't mistake the forum pussies for the Eve player base. Most of us could care less.

That monocle looks ridiculous. 

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#128 - 2013-11-01 15:42:34 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:

Sometimes the symbolic value of an act is all that really matters.

If you don't remember Dianabolic's posts in the context of this thread then you will of course not realize the significance of bragging about having CCP employees on your IM.


Aaaaaaand the T20 link is made.

Way to cover your bases CCP.



Damn, really wanted to read that devblog but like so many others (the $1000 pants one) it got "missing".
What was it again "the winners will write the past"?
It's here:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ia-investigation-update-three-investigations-concluded/

It's not "missing".
Seriously, learn to search.

If you tell me roughly when the $1000 pants was an a brief idea of what it was about (or a link to a thread) I'll find you the devblog.

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2013-11-01 15:43:41 UTC
MetaMorpheus Jones wrote:
Most of us could care less.

you could care less, but you don't, because you're emotionally invested in shilling for an RMT corporation for some reason
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#130 - 2013-11-01 15:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
Somer's Practice has always been against the EULA.

Yet, here we have Somer proclaim they already know the ruling. Meanwhile, the only communication from CCP has been to GTC Re-sellers, and not a word to the community. Somer multiplies the deal (potential money for CCP were Somer to fully cash out would be in excess of $5m USD) to squeeze out every last drop.

We, the players are left incredulous, staring slack-jawed at the screen with one of those slight head-tilts that implies one's belief this may all be a bad dream.

WAKE THE **** UP CCP!!!!

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.

Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2013-11-01 15:45:53 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Somer's Practice has always been against the EULA.

Yet, here we have Somer proclaim they already know the ruling. Meanwhile, the only communication from CCP has been to GTC Re-sellers, and not a word to the community. Somer multiplies the deal (potential money for CCP were Somer to fully cash out would be in excess of $5m USD) to squeeze out every last drop.

We, the players are left incredulous, staring slack-jawed at the screen with one of those slight head-tilts that implies one's belief this may all be a bad dream.

WAKE THE **** UP CCP!!!!

Greed is good. RMT is good when it sells GTC.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#132 - 2013-11-01 15:45:55 UTC
MetaMorpheus Jones wrote:
Kamii Yo wrote:
you make me sick CCP.


You, and ppl like you, make me sick. For all the HTFU and WOW is that way crap that gets spewed on this forum, never have I seen such a collection of entitled, self-important whiners. For the vast majority of Eve players, this SomerBLINK nonsense has exactly ZERO impact on their game.

Please, CCP, don't mistake the forum pussies for the Eve player base. Most of us could care less.
Yep we're entitled.
We're entitled to a fair enforcement of the rules.
Honestly, a lot of us would happily RMT our stuff if it was legal. So CCP had a decision to make. enforce the rule against this form of RMT or allow us all to do it. They chose to enforce their rules. So that's that.

By the way, are you a Somer shill or a butthurt Somer user?

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Arec Bardwin
#133 - 2013-11-01 15:53:39 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:
CCP look foolish having vouched for them.
So much this.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#134 - 2013-11-01 15:55:32 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Somer blink have reacted to being told to cease their RMT activity by offering even more credit per purchase. This is beyond taking the ****.
The 10 days was to give them time to take down their operation, not to have 10 days to push a bigger marketing campaign.
This is clearly Somer acting in defiance against the ruling that has been made and a clear indicator that they should be shut down immediately.


CCP told GTC retailers, that it would be illegal to sell GTC when giving away in-game bonus items, and somerblink don't sell GTC's. Markee Dragon Game Codes are the company which sells the GTC's, if Markee decide to sell the GTC's knowing that somerblink is giving away items, they are the ones breaking the contract they have with CCP, not somerblink.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#135 - 2013-11-01 15:59:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
I think it's pretty clear that if you make CCP money, the rules do not apply to you.

They are completely within their rights to apply the rules how/when they see fit, for instance retroactively banning people for scams that never broke the rules; also allowing only certain people to practice this modified RMT.

That's fine, CCP has broken no official agreement with the playerbase.

Unofficially, however, I agree to continue to give CCP my money in exchange for a subscription to a sandbox game where minimalist rules are applied equally and fairly to everyone. That's my unofficial agreement with CCP, and it has held up pretty nicely for the last 6+ years.

I will not purchase Somer-tainted GTC, nor any other GTC, ever again. CCP's silence is the most important factor that made this decision for me.

edit: After a 6 year run, 59 days left and counting (no you can never have my stuff)

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2013-11-01 16:02:01 UTC
Argus Sorn wrote:
https://twitter.com/somersetmahm/status/396090063248818176

If it is true, this makes me sick. Genuinely sick.


Sometimes tweets are made to disappear, like stoolies who talked too much. Just in case, I took down the testimony.

http://i.imgur.com/qoGGwEE.png

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#137 - 2013-11-01 16:06:54 UTC
Argus Sorn wrote:
https://twitter.com/somersetmahm/status/396090063248818176

If it is true, this makes me sick. Genuinely sick.


Seriously? Because they Skyped with someone from CCP? Surely you're joking?

Are you going to wildly vomit when I tell you that the organisers of EVE Vegas probably also had direct contact with some of the devs? Or... OH NO! The Mittani! For his role on the CSM and because he was asked as a speaker on EVE Vegas...

Christ the feeling of entitlement is so big around this place it's blocking out the sun at this point. If you do special things in EVE (good or bad in your own opinion) you get special treatment. Bloggers get FREE (yes free, as in no money involved, SHOCKING!) media accounts. Are you going to vomit over that as well because not everyone has that privilege?

All in all it's very similar to this thing you might know, called life. Life is not fair and neither is EVE, both in and outside of the game. Don't like it? Do something about it.

P.S. Whining on a forum does not constitute 'doing something'.

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#138 - 2013-11-01 16:06:55 UTC
As I mentioned in previous posts...

The community is either shocked and horrified to discover

a) That people get RL cash for GTC referrals (Hardly a secret, there was even a devblog about it back in August)
b) That Somer (and other sites, or is this just about Somer?) were giving bonuses for GTC purchases made via their referrals (Again, not a secret)
c) That someone is actually making money off this, because everyone thought this was just pocket change...

Was there RMT? In the loop: Pay RL cash for GTC -> Referral Site gets RL cash back --> Referral site gives you bonus.

Sure...I refuse to believe the population in eve only just figured this out....Which could hint that it is more the "WTF someone actually makes money from this?!? (Again, covered in the Devblog).
MetaMorpheus Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2013-11-01 16:08:32 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:



Honestly, a lot of us would happily RMT our stuff if it was legal. So CCP had a decision to make. enforce the rule against this form of RMT or allow us all to do it. They chose to enforce their rules. So that's that.

By the way, are you a Somer shill or a butthurt Somer user?



Read the EULA, Genius. It isn't your stuff. It never was your stuff.

As for SomerBLINK, however screwed up the arrangement became, in the end, I believe CCP saw SomerBLINK GTC sales as another way to get and keep players in the game, another way to promote Eve Online. Was it haphazard and ill-thought out? yea, a lot of it was. And in the end, CCP changed their policy. End of story.

But my god, users of this forum want this to be fricken' Watergate. Give me a break.

As for being a Somer shill, I've never played SB, I've never bought GTC or anything else from them, and I generally consider gambling as a way to part fools from their money (or ISK, as the case may be.) I could care less if they vanished into thin air. I'm just bloody tired of the bitching and moaning, the tin-foil hattery, the absurd accusations and ideations of conspiracy and back-room deals.

Could CCP have handles this better? yea, probably. Could the community have reacted with a little more maturity and a little less self-entitlement? Judging by this and nearly ever other issue facing Eve players, probably not. That such a thing is true doesn't make it any less pathetic.

That monocle looks ridiculous. 

Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#140 - 2013-11-01 16:11:24 UTC
MetaMorpheus Jones wrote:
Kamii Yo wrote:
you make me sick CCP.


You, and ppl like you, make me sick. For all the HTFU and WOW is that way crap that gets spewed on this forum, never have I seen such a collection of entitled, self-important whiners. For the vast majority of Eve players, this SomerBLINK nonsense has exactly ZERO impact on their game.


Please, CCP, don't mistake the forum pussies for the Eve player base. Most of us could care less.



Really? They just lost one account over it -- one who told them exactly why in the cancellation form, too. I cancelled my other account just now. This one will be cancelled shortly. I've been thinking about doing it and sitting on the fence but I've made my mind up.

And no, no one can have my stuff. It will rot away.