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Somer Blink - Asked to stop but have got worse!

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#81 - 2013-11-01 14:06:10 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Now we have Somer doing the same, just in a more round about manner.


Hm, you'd think CCP would keep a close eye on stuff like this. Maybe check their website, play a few Blinks? Certainly before writing a spotlight about them and giving them tons of goodies to give away. So yeah I think it's pretty safe to assume CCP had a very clear understanding of the setup Somer uses. I refuse to believe that not a single CCP employee ever visited their website and not noticed the credit for GTC thing.

By extension that also means CCP didn't mind and thus approved their setup. And THAT by extension means that Somer's entire thing was legal or at the very least not illegal. It's really not rocket science.

You can then rage at CCP for showing favoritism and stuff, but don't blame Somer for something CCP did or didn't. They got the OK from CCP and carried on like normal. If you want to rage at someone, rage at CCP.
Bull. Someone not being punished for something doesn't mean that they have permission to do it. CCP probably didn't consider it in depth. It was only once they put Somer into the spotlight and people started looking at what they were doing that it came to light. The fact that CCP have issued letters to the GTC resellers yet not changed any rules shows that it was always against the rules.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#82 - 2013-11-01 14:08:15 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
I don't see the problem here.

They were doing a legal thing.

CCP changed the rules and now it's not legal.

Suddenly, they have a bunch of worthless stock (ISK).

So they are trying to sell it at cut-rate prices so they recoup their investment. Just like any business.

Say you bought 10 cars to sell, and then someone tells you you won't be able to sell those cars in 10 days - you would sell them as cheap as you could to get your money back.

Now, given that what they were doing was really close to being illegal, and probably was against the spirit of the rules, this should have been shut down a long time ago with bans instead of being given in-game items for it. But it wasn't, it was allowed, so now we have to allow them 10 days to get their business in order again, which may include getting rid of as much ISK as they can to convert to real money.
The problem is your second line. It was never legal.
The other problem is what you have stated "Just like any business". EVE accounts are for personal use, not to be run a s business.

And the 10 days was a goodwill gesture from CCP to give them a fair amount of time to update their site. It was not so they could firesale their isk into huge amounts of profit.

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2013-11-01 14:08:36 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
I don't see the problem here.

they have a bunch of worthless stock (ISK).

So they are trying to sell it at cut-rate prices so they recoup their investment. Just like any business.

we have to allow them 10 days to get their business in order again, which may include getting rid of as much ISK as they can to convert to real money.

so you don't see anything wrong with 2 major EULA violations, and in fact feel we have to allow them to continue those violations for another week?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#84 - 2013-11-01 14:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
TigerXtrm wrote:
I refuse to believe that not a single CCP employee ever visited their website and not noticed the credit for GTC thing.

By extension that also means CCP didn't mind and thus approved their setup. And THAT by extension means that Somer's entire thing was legal or at the very least not illegal. It's really not rocket science.
It's not rocket science, but it is a special pleading fallacy.

Your refusal to believe something is not a relevant or useful basis for anything. Moreover, even if CCP didn't mind for whatever ill-conceived reason, it still doesn't mean that it didn't break the EULA. In fact, that's one of the main sources of displeasure with the whole thing.
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#85 - 2013-11-01 14:15:04 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
I don't see the problem here.

They were doing a legal thing.

CCP changed the rules and now it's not legal.


No, it was never legal. What happened was, they got exposed.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#86 - 2013-11-01 14:19:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Those of you considering buying a GTC from them by the way, first consider that there's no guarantee they will actually pay you out, since they are likely going out of business and secondly think about the type of people you are supporting.
If you need to buy a GTC, the best thing you can do is pick a community site doing things that are actually good for the community, not trying to generate huge volumes of income, and buy a GTC though their affiliate link. I'm not going to name any as I don't want a debate over who does what for who.

Support EVE, don't support RMT empires.

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#87 - 2013-11-01 14:27:58 UTC
This is bullshit. CCP is very disappointing.

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oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2013-11-01 14:28:09 UTC
*trips over room to find CC*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2013-11-01 14:30:44 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
*trips over room to find CC*

that's exactly what they want. for you to give them realbux. they don't give a **** about you, the community, or the game beyond that. they've shown this through their actions in the last day.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2013-11-01 14:32:42 UTC
My favorite part about these threads is finding all the Somer alts and shills and writing their names down for later to hand over to Marmite or some other corp.
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2013-11-01 14:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Nolak Ataru wrote:
My favorite part about these threads is finding all the Somer alts and shills and writing their names down for later to hand over to Marmite or some other corp.

put some alts into their corps and awox them or steal their ****. it's way more fun Twisted
Dudley Schwartz
Magic Hamsters
Miners Inn University
#92 - 2013-11-01 14:36:01 UTC
The Question is now; what happens next? I can see no other way to deal with this matter, other than a permanent ban for BLINK and its associates. What other punishment is there?

What do you think CCP should do to solve this matter?

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2013-11-01 14:39:02 UTC
Dudley Schwartz wrote:
The Question is now; what happens next? I can see no other way to deal with this matter, other than a permanent ban for BLINK and its associates. What other punishment is there?

What do you think CCP should do to solve this matter?


a ban is definitely in order. there also needs to be a serious look at the CCP employees who facilitated this fiasco to search out any signs of corruption, because at this point CCP is about as 'trustworthy' and 'honourable' as Somer is.
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-11-01 14:39:30 UTC
They got what they want and i made out like a bandit too..

Like you didnt jump on the amazon mistake? lmao ... strike while iron is hot i always say

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#95 - 2013-11-01 14:40:08 UTC
A true pillar of the community right there. I'm glad the wonderful people of Somer Blink who so selflessly contribute are getting the recognition and Ishukone Watch Scorpions they deserve.

/s

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2013-11-01 14:42:02 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
A true pillar of the community right there. I'm glad the wonderful people of Somer Blink who so selflessly contribute are getting the recognition and Ishukone Watch Scorpions they deserve.

/s

300T isk wasn't enough for them to RMT so CCP gave them a couple tril more Roll
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#97 - 2013-11-01 14:44:12 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
They got what they want and i made out like a bandit too..

Like you didnt jump on the amazon mistake? lmao ... strike while iron is hot i always say
Would you also loot shops when there's a riot going on? No security, window's already broken... Strike while the iron is hot an all that...

Or an old lady falls asleep on the bus, and a few notes are lying half out of her purse. Take them right? The iron is hot!

Being able to do something and profit doesn't automatically make it the right thing to do.

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Dudley Schwartz
Magic Hamsters
Miners Inn University
#98 - 2013-11-01 14:46:30 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
They got what they want and i made out like a bandit too..

Like you didnt jump on the amazon mistake? lmao ... strike while iron is hot i always say



You cannot compare Amazon to BLINK. Amazon ballsed it up on the PLEX sales, thats completely different to what BLINK is doing now. BLINK are making one last attempt to legally (in the eyes of CCP) rinse some of their ISK into real money, in the 10 days they have remaining (or should we say 10 days remaining of permitted RMT'ing).
Instead of quitting whilst they were ahead, they chose to do the dirty on us and cash out quick. SICKENING!

BLINK MAKES LAST ATTEMPT TO RINSE THEIR ISK INTO REAL MONEY!

Jita 4/4, the heart and soul of New Eden.
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2013-11-01 14:46:54 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
They got what they want and i made out like a bandit too..

Like you didnt jump on the amazon mistake? lmao ... strike while iron is hot i always say
Would you also loot shops when there's a riot going on? No security, window's already broken... Strike while the iron is hot an all that...

Or an old lady falls asleep on the bus, and a few notes are lying half out of her purse. Take them right? The iron is hot!

Being able to do something and profit doesn't automatically make it the right thing to do.


Did you just quote morals, on eve? something ive been getting **** for for like 2 weeks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#100 - 2013-11-01 14:47:54 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Being able to do something and profit doesn't automatically make it the right thing to do.

True, but there's no need to take it into real life. The iron is also "hot" when you spot a Condor flying about with 30 PLEX in his cargo hold, or when someone puts an extra digit on a contract or market order.

It all depends on your perspective and which situational ethics you apply. Don't go quite too heavy on the ethical judgment there.

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