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Nanatoa
#601 - 2013-11-01 13:20:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nanatoa
TigerXtrm wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

Of course they do, as SOMER is 100% $$$L3G1T$$$, community supporting, and not a scam.


Legit. All prizes are given and paid out, always.

Community supporting. They spend their profits on promo's, and real life events.

Not a scam. I'm not sure you even know the meaning of the word scam... Lol


Well they did pull a bait-and-switch scam on me, and called it 'valid play' afterwards...

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#602 - 2013-11-01 13:23:43 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:


Well they did pull a bait-and-switch scam on me, and called it 'valid play' afterwards...

Andrev Nox is backending GTC purchases upto 2days old and retroactively paying out the 1bil bonus for anyone who asks in the chat.

but he can't give you back the 16bil he took from you under false circumstances.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#603 - 2013-11-01 13:24:50 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

Of course they do, as SOMER is 100% $$$L3G1T$$$, community supporting, and not a scam.


Legit. All prizes are given and paid out, always.

Community supporting. They spend their profits on promo's, and real life events.

Not a scam. I'm not sure you even know the meaning of the word scam... Lol


Well they did pull a bait-and-switch scam on me, and called it 'valid play' afterwards...


Are you presenting an opinion as a fact?

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#604 - 2013-11-01 13:26:51 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:

Are you presenting an opinion as a fact?

are you saying the 16bil taken from him under false circumstances is just his opinion?

lol
Nanatoa
#605 - 2013-11-01 13:27:46 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Are you presenting an opinion as a fact?


The facts are they offered a prize, got people to play, and didn't give out the prize they initially offered.
What would you call that?

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#606 - 2013-11-01 13:29:53 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Are you presenting an opinion as a fact?


The facts are they offered a prize, got people to play, and didn't give out the prize they initially offered.
What would you call that?

well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#607 - 2013-11-01 13:31:30 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Are you presenting an opinion as a fact?


The facts are they offered a prize, got people to play, and didn't give out the prize they initially offered.
What would you call that?


Wait wait wait, let me get this straight. So you deposited 16b, used that money to play and I assume you lost it all eventually. And then, because they changed the prizes you demand to get back the money that you already spent and possibly won prizes with?

Please tell me that's not what you're saying because that would be... just... omg Lol

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#608 - 2013-11-01 13:46:34 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Are you presenting an opinion as a fact?


The facts are they offered a prize, got people to play, and didn't give out the prize they initially offered.
What would you call that?


Wait wait wait, let me get this straight. So you deposited 16b, used that money to play and I assume you lost it all eventually. And then, because they changed the prizes you demand to get back the money that you already spent and possibly won prizes with?

Please tell me that's not what you're saying because that would be... just... omg Lol

He deposited 16b and they changed the giveaway from guardian vexor to some other stuff, so he wanted to withdraw his money but they refused.

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#609 - 2013-11-01 13:53:20 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Are you presenting an opinion as a fact?


The facts are they offered a prize, got people to play, and didn't give out the prize they initially offered.
What would you call that?


Wait wait wait, let me get this straight. So you deposited 16b, used that money to play and I assume you lost it all eventually. And then, because they changed the prizes you demand to get back the money that you already spent and possibly won prizes with?

Please tell me that's not what you're saying because that would be... just... omg Lol

He deposited 16b and they changed the giveaway from guardian vexor to some other stuff, so he wanted to withdraw his money but they refused.

yet at the same time, Andrev Nox has easily given out over 16bil of 'credit' that he grandfathered in for all GTC sales in the last 2 days.

you know what the difference is? the people who he gives free 'credit' to will likely buy more GTC out of gratitude, etc., thinking Somer is so awesome. he can squeeze dollars out of them. he can't do that with the other guy though, who was only in it for the Guardian-Vexor and has no intention of buying GTC through Somer's affiliate link.
Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#610 - 2013-11-01 14:12:43 UTC
The funniest part of this whole boondoggle is that Blink/CCP did this to themselves. It's not exactly news that Blink has been leveraging this loophole for a while now. You can find posts pointing out this obvious fact going back years. But it never drew the community's attention or outrage the way recent events have.

It was simply CCP and Blink's greed, hubris, or outright obliviousness that led to the current state of affairs. Free iScorps, tournament ships, public endorsements by blue posters... I mean, seriously, which of the geniuses involved DIDN'T realize that was going to cause a public outcry?

I certainly know that if I'd been running a profitable grey-area RMT operation for two years under the radar of any obvious CCP attention, I would be returning those iScorps immediately and turning down ANY official "gifts" or "endorsements" from CCP faster than you could bat an eye. If it hadn't been for the blatantly obvious bias and cronyism on display by CCP with these recent gifts, Blink would likely have remained out of any serious public scrutiny for many years to come.

When you are doing something at least a little bit shady, at least have the decency to TRY and keep it in the shadows. People are very good at looking the other way but they do tend to take offense when you start flaunting it in their face.

Anyway... thinking of that makes me giggle every time.
Nanatoa
#611 - 2013-11-01 14:15:11 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Are you presenting an opinion as a fact?


The facts are they offered a prize, got people to play, and didn't give out the prize they initially offered.
What would you call that?


Wait wait wait, let me get this straight. So you deposited 16b, used that money to play and I assume you lost it all eventually. And then, because they changed the prizes you demand to get back the money that you already spent and possibly won prizes with?

Please tell me that's not what you're saying because that would be... just... omg Lol


Here's the timeline of events:
2013.09.26 00:28 The Gold Magnate lottery was announced.
The lottery required you to play Blinks to earn tickets. There was no other way to participate. I had never played Blinks before but I deposited 16B and participated in every Blink I could just to earn the lottery tickets.
2013.09.26 14:03 I posted I threw 16 billion into this just because of the Gold Magnate promotion.
2013.09.26 19:23 CCP Navigator announces that the Gold Magnate has been withdrawn.
2013.09.26 20:26 I protest in the announcement thread.
2013.09.26 20:46 I protest in the SOMER Blink thread, ask my 16B back and offer to return everything I won in the Blinks.
2013.09.27 10:40 I message Somerset Mahm ingame
2013.09.28 02:55 Somerset Mahm refuses a refund, blames CCP
2013.09.28 10:47 I reply to Somerset Mahm, which gets ignored
2013.10.04 11:54 I post in the SOMER Blink thread, saying Somerset Mahm still hasn't replied.
[[ Prize draw takes place here somewhere]]
2013.10.08 20:01 I file a support ticket. (No response from CCP yet)
2013.10.18 15:54 I post in the SOMER Blink thread, asking when I will receive a reaction.
2013.10.26 01:21 I post again the SOMER Blink thread, complaining that they're ignoring me.
2013.10.26 02:43 Andrev Nox contacts me ingame.
2013.10.26 11:18 I reply
2013.10.26 20:30 Andrev Nox replies
2013.10.27 16:35 I reply
2013.10.28 03:40 Andrev Nox replies
2013.10.30 00:50 I reply
2013.10.30 01:10 Andrev Nox replies
2013.10.30 01:31 I reply
2013.10.30 01:34 Andrev Nox replies
2013.10.30 01:35 I reply
[[The contents of this exchange will be the subject of a later post, but Andrev Nox's conclusion was that SOMER Blink "will not refund ISK used in valid play that has already been won or lost".]]
2013.10.31 23:54 I post in the SOMER Blink thread, concluding "for SOMER Blink offering an unique prize, requiring people to play Blinks to enter, then withdrawing that prize, is 'valid play'. Well, I call it 'bait-and-switch'."


"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#612 - 2013-11-01 14:18:52 UTC
Lena Lazair wrote:
The funniest part of this whole boondoggle is that Blink/CCP did this to themselves. It's not exactly news that Blink has been leveraging this loophole for a while now. You can find posts pointing out this obvious fact going back years. But it never drew the community's attention or outrage the way recent events have.

It was simply CCP and Blink's greed, hubris, or outright obliviousness that led to the current state of affairs. Free iScorps, tournament ships, public endorsements by blue posters... I mean, seriously, which of the geniuses involved DIDN'T realize that was going to cause a public outcry?

I certainly know that if I'd been running a profitable grey-area RMT operation for two years under the radar of any obvious CCP attention, I would be returning those iScorps immediately and turning down ANY official "gifts" or "endorsements" from CCP faster than you could bat an eye. If it hadn't been for the blatantly obvious bias and cronyism on display by CCP with these recent gifts, Blink would likely have remained out of any serious public scrutiny for many years to come.

When you are doing something at least a little bit shady, at least have the decency to TRY and keep it in the shadows. People are very good at looking the other way but they do tend to take offense when you start flaunting it in their face.

Anyway... thinking of that makes me giggle every time.

it's why i stayed subbed instead of quitting when the guardian-vexor/monocle/SIW debacle occurred. once people looked at the RMT more deeply and the first couple dudes started exploiting the same loophole to prove a point, i knew the results would be hilarious, one way or another. it was indeed hubris that caused this, and now it's funny to watch the backlash. if nothing is learned from this and things aren't corrected, i suspect many may chose to cancel subscriptions, but for now the destruction derby is worth the price of admission.
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#613 - 2013-11-01 14:20:56 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Are you presenting an opinion as a fact?


The facts are they offered a prize, got people to play, and didn't give out the prize they initially offered.
What would you call that?


Wait wait wait, let me get this straight. So you deposited 16b, used that money to play and I assume you lost it all eventually. And then, because they changed the prizes you demand to get back the money that you already spent and possibly won prizes with?

Please tell me that's not what you're saying because that would be... just... omg Lol


Here's the timeline of events:
2013.09.26 00:28 The Gold Magnate lottery was announced.
The lottery required you to play Blinks to earn tickets. There was no other way to participate. I had never played Blinks before but I deposited 16B and participated in every Blink I could just to earn the lottery tickets.
2013.09.26 14:03 I posted I threw 16 billion into this just because of the Gold Magnate promotion.
2013.09.26 19:23 CCP Navigator announces that the Gold Magnate has been withdrawn.
2013.09.26 20:26 I protest in the announcement thread.
2013.09.26 20:46 I protest in the SOMER Blink thread, ask my 16B back and offer to return everything I won in the Blinks.
2013.09.27 10:40 I message Somerset Mahm ingame
2013.09.28 02:55 Somerset Mahm refuses a refund, blames CCP
2013.09.28 10:47 I reply to Somerset Mahm, which gets ignored
2013.10.04 11:54 I post in the SOMER Blink thread, saying Somerset Mahm still hasn't replied.
[[ Prize draw takes place here somewhere]]
2013.10.08 20:01 I file a support ticket. (No response from CCP yet)
2013.10.18 15:54 I post in the SOMER Blink thread, asking when I will receive a reaction.
2013.10.26 01:21 I post again the SOMER Blink thread, complaining that they're ignoring me.
2013.10.26 02:43 Andrev Nox contacts me ingame.
2013.10.26 11:18 I reply
2013.10.26 20:30 Andrev Nox replies
2013.10.27 16:35 I reply
2013.10.28 03:40 Andrev Nox replies
2013.10.30 00:50 I reply
2013.10.30 01:10 Andrev Nox replies
2013.10.30 01:31 I reply
2013.10.30 01:34 Andrev Nox replies
2013.10.30 01:35 I reply
[[The contents of this exchange will be the subject of a later post, but Andrev Nox's conclusion was that SOMER Blink "will not refund ISK used in valid play that has already been won or lost".]]
2013.10.31 23:54 I post in the SOMER Blink thread, concluding "for SOMER Blink offering an unique prize, requiring people to play Blinks to enter, then withdrawing that prize, is 'valid play'. Well, I call it 'bait-and-switch'."



you left out the best and last part, where the posts replying to you and supporting you in the offical Somer thread were deleted by a CCP member for extremely vague reasoning.
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#614 - 2013-11-01 14:21:10 UTC
Well it is hard to blame CCP totally since they are suffering from HUBS. Head Up Butt Syndrome.

CCP I think there is an oinment for that.
Nanatoa
#615 - 2013-11-01 14:23:52 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:
you left out the best and last part, where the posts replying to you and supporting you in the offical Somer thread were deleted by a CCP member for extremely vague reasoning.


I'm sure they didn't mean to; they probably were accidentaly caught up in a cleaning spree.
But indeed, I did post a few more times in the SOMER Blink thread, but bringing up the simple fact that a previous post got deleted was enough to get *that* post deleted for "discussing moderation". So I decided just not to mention the deleted posts at all.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#616 - 2013-11-01 14:24:18 UTC
Lena Lazair wrote:
The funniest part of this whole boondoggle is that Blink/CCP did this to themselves. It's not exactly news that Blink has been leveraging this loophole for a while now. You can find posts pointing out this obvious fact going back years. But it never drew the community's attention or outrage the way recent events have.

It was simply CCP and Blink's greed, hubris, or outright obliviousness that led to the current state of affairs. Free iScorps, tournament ships, public endorsements by blue posters... I mean, seriously, which of the geniuses involved DIDN'T realize that was going to cause a public outcry?

I certainly know that if I'd been running a profitable grey-area RMT operation for two years under the radar of any obvious CCP attention, I would be returning those iScorps immediately and turning down ANY official "gifts" or "endorsements" from CCP faster than you could bat an eye. If it hadn't been for the blatantly obvious bias and cronyism on display by CCP with these recent gifts, Blink would likely have remained out of any serious public scrutiny for many years to come.

When you are doing something at least a little bit shady, at least have the decency to TRY and keep it in the shadows. People are very good at looking the other way but they do tend to take offense when you start flaunting it in their face.

Anyway... thinking of that makes me giggle every time.


Yup, summarizes this whole fiasco nicely.

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#617 - 2013-11-01 14:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Nanatoa wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:
you left out the best and last part, where the posts replying to you and supporting you in the offical Somer thread were deleted by a CCP member for extremely vague reasoning.


I'm sure they didn't mean to; they probably were accidentaly caught up in a cleaning spree.
But indeed, I did post a few more times in the SOMER Blink thread, but bringing up the simple fact that a previous post got deleted was enough to get *that* post deleted for "discussing moderation". So I decided just not to mention the deleted posts at all.

no, they meant to. i saw several critical posts disappear completely because ??? reasoning over the last 2 or 3 days. i expect the thread to be cleaned up again today. they're basically trying to make it look like there is no opposition in there. they are playing muscle for Somer. it's pretty sad.
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#618 - 2013-11-01 14:29:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost Phius
Since CCP took the unprecendented step to "officially" endorse those guys then they should be on the hook just as much for the dishonest practices they are involved in now.

Hey CCP "this" is another reason you as the company NEVER should endorsement third parties in the way that you did, it is just pretty idiotic to do so...You see the truth in my statement now right CCP?

Or are you still on your HUBRIS high?Roll
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#619 - 2013-11-01 14:32:15 UTC
Ghost Phius wrote:
Since CCP took the unprecendented step to "offically" endorse those guys then they should be on the hook just as much for the dishonest practices they are involved in now.

Hey CCP "this" is another reason you as the company NEVER should endorsement third parties in the way that you did, it is just pretty idiotic to do so...You see the truth in my statement now right CCP?

Or are you still on your HUBRIS high?Roll

Incarna got people fired and it wasn't nearly as bad as Somergate is turning out to be
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#620 - 2013-11-01 14:32:41 UTC
Ghost Phius wrote:
Since CCP took the unprecendented step to "offically" endorse those guys then they should be on the hook just as much for the dishonest practices they are involved in now.

Hey CCP "this" is another reason you as the company NEVER should endorsement third parties in the way that you did, it is just pretty idiotic to do so...You see the truth in my statement now right CCP?

Or are you still on your HUBRIS high?Roll

They are high on SWAG
SOMER
WITH
A LOT
GTCs

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