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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2013-11-01 13:05:59 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Oh for the love of god, when will you people stop complaining?

CCP has set a strict deadline. 10 days and then all incentives and rewards in return for the use of affiliate links are to be gone. That's it. Until then anyone is free to do whatever they like. Taking advantage of the time you have left is not rocket science, any reasonably smart person would do this. See the Amazon mess up, people took massive advantage of that because they knew it could end at any minute.

Somer has 300T isk to burn through. 1 trillion is a thousand billions. So, giving out 1b per $1.75 of GTC, profits would be 300,000 x 1.75 = $525,000. thats over half a million USD if Somer can RMT all his isk at that absurdly tempting conversion rate. a lot of people are taking advantage of these ridiculous isk firesale so they stand to make a ridiculous amount of profit. the first $135k (conservative estimate) clearly wasn't enough. and at the same time, Andrev Nox is playing the starving server admin card and blaming the playerbase for their woes.


Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe Roll . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage.

Let me spell it out for you; some random dude or dudette found a loophole in the game's rules and stands to make over half a million dollars from it. That's genius. That's real money. You people are acting like this is somehow hurting your real life. Are you being fired from your job because of SOMER? Are you forced to embrace SOMER and buy weekly PLEXes to keep your car running? Or did SOMER sell you a ridiculously high mortgage which you are bending over backwards to pay? Is SOMER spying on all your internet activity and phone calls and selling the information to make the money they are earning? Did SOMER break into your house and steal your first borne child?

Nope, SOMER hasn't done any of that. What this is and has been from the start is one big collective "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" because people can't STAND the idea of someone out-smarting them financially. First it was jealousy because they make tons of ISK. Then it was jealousy because they make tons of real money.

Show me one person who's real life was negatively affected by SOMER because they made some money? Are you going to protest the local grocery store because they are making money?

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Dudley Schwartz
Magic Hamsters
Miners Inn University
#42 - 2013-11-01 13:09:23 UTC
Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Oh for the love of god, when will you people stop complaining?



No. I will not stop complaining.

I don't know who is in charge of public relations at CCP Games, but whoever it is needs to come out right now and disassociate that company from SOMER immediately and publicly. There also needs to be some kind of explanation to the playerbase as WTF has been going on.




I await the day that an explanation is released by CCP, on this matter.
I really am genuinely frustrated... what can i/we do though? Smashing a structure in Jita is not going to help, nor is cutting our nose off to spike our face (unsubbing).

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#43 - 2013-11-01 13:10:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
TigerXtrm wrote:
Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe Roll . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage.

Let me spell it out for you; some random dude or dudette found a loophole in the game's rules and stands to make over half a million dollars from it. That's genius. That's real money. You people are acting like this is somehow hurting your real life. Are you being fired from your job because of SOMER? Are you forced to embrace SOMER and buy weekly PLEXes to keep your car running? Or did SOMER sell you a ridiculously high mortgage which you are bending over backwards to pay? Is SOMER spying on all your internet activity and phone calls and selling the information to make the money they are earning? Did SOMER break into your house and steal your first borne child?

Nope, SOMER hasn't done any of that. What this is and has been from the start is one big collective "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" because people can't STAND the idea of someone out-smarting them financially. First it was jealousy because they make tons of ISK. Then it was jealousy because they make tons of real money.

Show me one person who's real life was negatively affected by SOMER because they made some money? Are you going to protest the local grocery store because they are making money?

So what you are basically saying is that you are fine with a group making real money by exploiting the rules of the game and performing RMT? Good for you.
However luckily for those of us that actually like EVE, RMT is against the rules. Finding a loophole then exploiting it is not a good thing. Furthering that by accelerating the use of that loophole when told to stop is even worse.
I really don't give a **** if you think they are smart for making money, it's against the rules and they should be punished. They are a business running a game account to exploit the real players for cash.

And nobody here except you is saying anything about real life problems, we are stating that it's bad for THE GAME. You know? EVE Online? It's an MMORPG that many of us actually like and would like to see continue fairly?

Moron... Go back to the Somer chatroom and whine there.

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-11-01 13:12:02 UTC
Dudley Schwartz wrote:
Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Oh for the love of god, when will you people stop complaining?



No. I will not stop complaining.

I don't know who is in charge of public relations at CCP Games, but whoever it is needs to come out right now and disassociate that company from SOMER immediately and publicly. There also needs to be some kind of explanation to the playerbase as WTF has been going on.




I await the day that an explanation is released by CCP, on this matter.
I really am genuinely frustrated... what can i/we do though? Smashing a structure in Jita is not going to help, nor is cutting our nose off to spike our face (unsubbing).

actually, the unsubbing seems to be the only thing they understand. remember, 'watch what they do, not what they say'.

this scandal has reached a stage where there needs to be serious consequences. clearly, something is wrong at CCP, and we have to put a stop to it. we pay their salaries and fund their projects, perhaps they should think twice before shitting on their playerbase.
Frying Doom
#45 - 2013-11-01 13:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
One of the more expensive comparies Host gator server and cost


Intel Xeon Quad Core, 3.3GHz (8 threads)
1 Gbps Uplink
16 GB High Performance RAM
1,000 GB RAID-1 Drives
25 TB Bandwidth
5 Dedicated IPs
WebMatrix Ready!

$374.00 a month

This is well over what they would need for a server and only $4488 a year

So how about we don't try the boo hoo about sever cost as they have already made over $135,000 from this community.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#46 - 2013-11-01 13:14:55 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:


Let me spell it out for you; some random dude or dudette found a loophole in the game's rules and stands to make over half a million dollars from it. That's genius. That's real money. You people are acting like this is somehow hurting your real life. Are you being fired from your job because of SOMER? Are you forced to embrace SOMER and buy weekly PLEXes to keep your car running? Or did SOMER sell you a ridiculously high mortgage which you are bending over backwards to pay? Is SOMER spying on all your internet activity and phone calls and selling the information to make the money they are earning? Did SOMER break into your house and steal your first borne child?

Nope, SOMER hasn't done any of that. What this is and has been from the start is one big collective "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" because people can't STAND the idea of someone out-smarting them financially. First it was jealousy because they make tons of ISK. Then it was jealousy because they make tons of real money.

Show me one person who's real life was negatively affected by SOMER because they made some money? Are you going to protest the local grocery store because they are making money?


And let me spell it out for you.

R
U
L
E
S

A
R
E

R
U
L
E
S

PERIOD.

If you or I wanted to do the same thing, the ban hammer would slam down on our head. Period. This past year, SOMER has went from a simple isk-gambling service, to the obvious "elite" of the CCP Pantheon of Favorites. And then they were caught doing the ONE THING YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT DO IN EVE ONLINE.

The same rules should apply to everyone, or there should be no game. Plain and simple. If CCP wants to play favorites, let them. But first, they should turn off the damn servers permanently, because they cannot keep to their side of the bargain.

Our bargain, in case you forgot...

We do not "Redacted."

In return, those who are found participating in "Redacted," will be dealt swift and permanent justice at the hands of CCP.

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corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-11-01 13:15:49 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Oh for the love of god, when will you people stop complaining?

CCP has set a strict deadline. 10 days and then all incentives and rewards in return for the use of affiliate links are to be gone. That's it. Until then anyone is free to do whatever they like. Taking advantage of the time you have left is not rocket science, any reasonably smart person would do this. See the Amazon mess up, people took massive advantage of that because they knew it could end at any minute.

Somer has 300T isk to burn through. 1 trillion is a thousand billions. So, giving out 1b per $1.75 of GTC, profits would be 300,000 x 1.75 = $525,000. thats over half a million USD if Somer can RMT all his isk at that absurdly tempting conversion rate. a lot of people are taking advantage of these ridiculous isk firesale so they stand to make a ridiculous amount of profit. the first $135k (conservative estimate) clearly wasn't enough. and at the same time, Andrev Nox is playing the starving server admin card and blaming the playerbase for their woes. get ready for ads on blink followed by accepting paypal donations. these scumbags truly have no shame.



In the nosey gamer article it was stated somer gets 8% kick back not 5% so its attually $2.80 a GTC or $840,000 if they can get rid of it all.

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#48 - 2013-11-01 13:16:16 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
One of the more expensive comparies Host gator server and cost


Intel Xeon Quad Core, 3.3GHz (8 threads)
1 Gbps Uplink
16 GB High Performance RAM
1,000 GB RAID-1 Drives
25 TB Bandwidth
5 Dedicated IPs
WebMatrix Ready!

$299.00 a month

This is well over what they would need for a server and only $3600 a year

So how about we don't try the boo hoo about sever cost as they have already made over $135,000 from this community.
Yeah, that's pretty overkill. Their site is hardly complex.
I have development servers put together from scraps that could easily run their site to be honest.

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-11-01 13:17:19 UTC
corbexx wrote:

In the nosey gamer article it was stated somer gets 8% kick back not 5% so its attually $2.80 a GTC or $840,000 if they can get rid of it all.

the last big celebration i was at, Somer was late for the draw because she was moving into a new house. wonder who paid for it...
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2013-11-01 13:18:20 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe Roll . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage.

Let me spell it out for you; some random dude or dudette found a loophole in the game's rules and stands to make over half a million dollars from it. That's genius. That's real money. You people are acting like this is somehow hurting your real life. Are you being fired from your job because of SOMER? Are you forced to embrace SOMER and buy weekly PLEXes to keep your car running? Or did SOMER sell you a ridiculously high mortgage which you are bending over backwards to pay? Is SOMER spying on all your internet activity and phone calls and selling the information to make the money they are earning? Did SOMER break into your house and steal your first borne child?

Nope, SOMER hasn't done any of that. What this is and has been from the start is one big collective "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" because people can't STAND the idea of someone out-smarting them financially. First it was jealousy because they make tons of ISK. Then it was jealousy because they make tons of real money.

Show me one person who's real life was negatively affected by SOMER because they made some money? Are you going to protest the local grocery store because they are making money?

So what you are basically saying is that you are fine with a group making real money by exploiting the rules of the game and performing RMT? Good for you.
However luckily for those of us that actually like EVE, RMT is against the rules. Finding a loophole then exploiting it is not a good thing. Furthering that by accelerating the use of that loophole when told to stop is even worse.
I really don't give a **** if you think they are smart for making money, it's against the rules and they should be punished. They are a business running a game account to exploit the real players for cash.

And nobody here except you is saying anything about real life problems, we are stating that it's bad for THE GAME. You know? EVE Online? It's an MMORPG that many of us actually like and would like to see continue fairly?

Moron... Go back to the Somer chatroom and whine there.


Ah yes, but it wasn't actually against any rules until CCP changed those same rules. If you want to believe the skewed rationalizations posted around the forums then feel free to do so. But the fact is that is that up until a few days ago, what SOMER was doing was perfectly legal within the EULA and the reseller agreement. And you can't punish someone for doing something that is legal. Simple as that.

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Frying Doom
#51 - 2013-11-01 13:19:55 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
One of the more expensive comparies Host gator server and cost


Intel Xeon Quad Core, 3.3GHz (8 threads)
1 Gbps Uplink
16 GB High Performance RAM
1,000 GB RAID-1 Drives
25 TB Bandwidth
5 Dedicated IPs
WebMatrix Ready!

$299.00 a month

This is well over what they would need for a server and only $3600 a year

So how about we don't try the boo hoo about sever cost as they have already made over $135,000 from this community.
Yeah, that's pretty overkill. Their site is hardly complex.
I have development servers put together from scraps that could easily run their site to be honest.

I used to use some thing about half this good to run 127 web sites with 2.5 million uniques a day, with around 15 million page views, this could easily run that so it would laugh in Somers needs.

And as I said only $4488 a year, the figures above were for the 20TB package which is still way more than they need.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#52 - 2013-11-01 13:19:55 UTC
CCP is getting more money from GTC sales, PLEX prices falling, BLINK is getting rid of excessive amount of cash, capsullers are getting excessive amounts of cash.

Looks like everybody is winning.

P.S. Never ever use PLEX as investment. There is no such thing as free market for PLEX.
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-11-01 13:21:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
TigerXtrm wrote:

Ah yes, but it wasn't actually against any rules until CCP changed those same rules. If you want to believe the skewed rationalizations posted around the forums then feel free to do so. But the fact is that is that up until a few days ago, what SOMER was doing was perfectly legal within the EULA and the reseller agreement. And you can't punish someone for doing something that is legal. Simple as that.

you're the kind of dude who would have testified at Nuremberg that what he did was ok because he was just following orders.

Godwin's law blah blah Roll
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2013-11-01 13:23:09 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:

Ah yes, but it wasn't actually against any rules until CCP changed those same rules. If you want to believe the skewed rationalizations posted around the forums then feel free to do so. But the fact is that is that up until a few days ago, what SOMER was doing was perfectly legal within the EULA and the reseller agreement. And you can't punish someone for doing something that is legal. Simple as that.

you're the kind of dude who would have testified at Nuremberg that what he did was ok because he was just following orders.

Godwin's law blah blah Roll


That's an idiotic comparison...

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Frying Doom
#55 - 2013-11-01 13:24:26 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Ah yes, but it wasn't actually against any rules until CCP changed those same rules. If you want to believe the skewed rationalizations posted around the forums then feel free to do so. But the fact is that is that up until a few days ago, what SOMER was doing was perfectly legal within the EULA and the reseller agreement. And you can't punish someone for doing something that is legal. Simple as that.

Given how Somer is now acting CCP has not changed any rule.

They have shown they are a business and not a community site.

They are in this for the cash

so
EULA wrote:
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#56 - 2013-11-01 13:28:36 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Ah yes, but it wasn't actually against any rules until CCP changed those same rules. If you want to believe the skewed rationalizations posted around the forums then feel free to do so. But the fact is that is that up until a few days ago, what SOMER was doing was perfectly legal within the EULA and the reseller agreement. And you can't punish someone for doing something that is legal. Simple as that.
Well no, RMT was always against the rules.
The only question was "is what Somer doing RMT" and the answer is a resounding yes. The fact that they got away with it for so long doesn't mean the rule didn't exist. So yes, they can be punished.

Not to mention that as they run it to make money, that means their accounts are being used for business purposes, which is a second rule violation.

This latest is them try to grab as much from their RMT before they are completely forced to stop. CCP gave them 10 days as a gesture of goodwill, as not all sites are that easy to get updated swiftly, depending on time allowances. But rather than do what all the other sites did and stop ASAP, they've chosen to purposely run a firesale instead.

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Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#57 - 2013-11-01 13:30:03 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:


Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe Roll . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage.


You really are a shill, aren't you?

What's the next line you guys are going to spew? Here's a good one! "Andrew and/or Somerset can't get on the Obamacare website so they need this extra income to pay for those awful out-of-pocket healthcare expenses." There you go -- run with it!
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-11-01 13:30:37 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:

Ah yes, but it wasn't actually against any rules until CCP changed those same rules. If you want to believe the skewed rationalizations posted around the forums then feel free to do so. But the fact is that is that up until a few days ago, what SOMER was doing was perfectly legal within the EULA and the reseller agreement. And you can't punish someone for doing something that is legal. Simple as that.

you're the kind of dude who would have testified at Nuremberg that what he did was ok because he was just following orders.

Godwin's law blah blah Roll


That's an idiotic comparison...

yes, i wrote a reply fit for an idiot
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-11-01 13:32:44 UTC
Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:


Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe Roll . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage.


You really are a shill, aren't you?

What's the next line you guys are going to spew? Here's a good one! "Andrew and/or Somerset can't get on the Obamacare website so they need this extra income to pay for those awful out-of-pocket healthcare expenses." There you go -- run with it!


damnit, you beat me to the Andrev / Obamacare reference. Twisted
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2013-11-01 13:35:48 UTC
Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:


Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe Roll . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage.


You really are a shill, aren't you?

What's the next line you guys are going to spew? Here's a good one! "Andrew and/or Somerset can't get on the Obamacare website so they need this extra income to pay for those awful out-of-pocket healthcare expenses." There you go -- run with it!



Way to miss the point I was making, my man Lol

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