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[Rubicon] Renaming some autocannons to actually be called autocannons

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Shivanthar
#61 - 2013-10-25 05:59:13 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Repeating autocannon is a silly name.


LolLolLolLolLol
I love to start a workday with this kind of short, but hilarious comment! LolLol

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Shivanthar
#62 - 2013-10-25 06:12:50 UTC
Swiftstrike1 wrote:
I saw this mentioned elsewhere recently so I'll bring it up here since it seems reasonable...

Any chance Large weapons with the naming convention "Dual Medium Weapon" will be changed to use Medium sized ammunition instead of Large ammunition?

Weapons with the same calibre should use the same ammunition, no matter how many barrels they have.

Can you imagine trying to fit an ostrich egg into a double barrelled shotgun? The answer is a bad joke about making omelettes, but that's neither here nor there.



Example: a 650mm Artillery cannon takes medium ammunition, but a dual 650mm Autocannon takes large ammunition.


Excellent point!

They've an extremely futuristic system of cutting ammo in the half during firing :P Huh! Buy once, use twice! ^.^

Also, this will also lead to a tracking discussion, where a huge powered battleship will have much more power to feed their turrets' internal tracking engine than their Cruiser and BC counterparts. Turning one more barrel shouldn't drop tracking that much in this case.

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Shivanthar
#63 - 2013-10-25 06:18:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Shivanthar
Jenn aSide wrote:
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Repeating autocannon is a silly name.


This.

It's like saying Automatic Autocannon.


LolLolLol

We have Minmatar here! :D They first implemented a cannon, shooting once, then they implemented autocannon, which was also shooting once :P Nowadays, I am using repeating autocannons, which also shoot once, but the guys working on that compartment are so experienced and got faster every other day that they convinced opposition in a way that their ship is actually using "autocannons" :P

(Shhh! I actually hired two personel in a space of one, illegally, showing 1 on the paper and just trying to pay only ones tax!)

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#64 - 2013-10-25 06:19:18 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Yet another change that nobody has complained about, another bit of immersion gone. The desire to understand and learn is a big part of the eve experience especially for noobs, we're all slightly poorer because of things like this.

Cold gas arcjet thrusters forever...


I remember Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters. I was disappointed when CCP saw fit to rename them. What a terrible day that was.

Shame on you, CCP.

We have Meta Levels to tell us which one is better or not.
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-10-25 09:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Gord
The repeating artillery bit made sense to me.

The 800mm is a huge gun. THIS is an 800mm shell in the real world, on the left of the pic. Next to is is a Soviet T34-85. It's at the Imperial War Museum, London, England, and was used by two WW2 era German railway guns.

You can't tell me that's not artillery, it's massive! It fires quickly, so it's repeating! The 800mm Repeating Artillery is even dual barrelled to facilitate repeating.

In a few moments you will have an experience that will seem completely real. It will be the result of your subconscious fears transformed to your conscious awareness.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#66 - 2013-10-25 13:12:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Why has it to be all clear? I think that even if the names says Artillery, people know one learn to know what a real artillery is and what not. Why has it always to be baby-prove?

That said: I dislike the changes and advocate to leave the names as is. The new names dull the game down and absolutely lack the bang a 800mm Repeating Artillery has, as an example. Unification of all the things is imo not a good idea here.

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Arcos Vandymion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2013-10-29 12:13:34 UTC
Laser renaming.

NOW!
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#68 - 2013-10-29 13:41:53 UTC
Yeaah I'll have to agree here. "800mm repeating artillery" has way more punch than "800mm autocannon".

Same as "VM-15 Braced Multispectral Deflection Matrix" sounded way more awesome than "Limited Invulnerability Field I"

While the last was confusing, let's keep at least some awesomeness feeling to names.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

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WInter Borne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-10-29 22:17:42 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
This is a very simple change, so I am just going to list out all the changes:

6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Machine Gun
  • 6x2500mm AutoCannon I


There is something just not right about a 6 barreled machine gun firing 2500mm slugs...
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-10-30 09:30:07 UTC
WInter Borne wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
This is a very simple change, so I am just going to list out all the changes:

6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Machine Gun
  • 6x2500mm AutoCannon I


There is something just not right about a 6 barreled machine gun firing 2500mm slugs...



Agree!


CCP made a horrible work here.

THey are throwing away the FLAVOR.. again for HOMOGENIZATION!!

When did the cool game designers andengineers were replaced by lawyers and administration personal?



Hint.. we do not like that TREND!!!


"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#71 - 2013-10-30 11:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Can we maybe get another opinion of the responsible dev on this? Something apart from ignorance of the topic you brought up? We currently have a nice and lovely downtime. What are devs doing that have nothing better to than to rename fully and properly functional game material around on a whim?

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2013-10-30 13:29:17 UTC
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Awesomesauce


YAY Foxfour is back with his super vorpal sword of logic and justice!



Because machine guns with bullets the sizer of a car are incredbly logical....

repeatign artiliary was an INCREDLBE and LOGICAL name. Now destroyed.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Pliskkenn
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#73 - 2013-10-30 21:56:31 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Yeaah I'll have to agree here. "800mm repeating artillery" has way more punch than "800mm autocannon".

Same as "VM-15 Braced Multispectral Deflection Matrix" sounded way more awesome than "Limited Invulnerability Field I"

While the last was confusing, let's keep at least some awesomeness feeling to names.


It would be quite cool if they were kept in some flavour text.

Like an extra bit under the description.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2013-10-31 05:20:08 UTC
I've browsed through this thread only to realize just how many cool names were thrown away.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-11-01 09:02:21 UTC
By general feel of repsosnes, this was a BAD CCP move, once again, administrative mindset over gamers mindset, factory standards over art, homogenization over being interesting.

Bland... vs colored....

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Ezekiel Jackson
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-11-01 09:42:29 UTC
and yet another nerf to Minmatar
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2013-11-01 10:42:23 UTC
Ezekiel Jackson wrote:
and yet another nerf to Minmatar



Be ready.. next in list they wil make the naglfar horizontal, to make it more analogous to the other races ship and not confuse new players.....

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#78 - 2013-11-01 12:48:10 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
By general feel of repsosnes, this was a BAD CCP move, once again, administrative mindset over gamers mindset, factory standards over art, homogenization over being interesting.

Bland... vs colored....

I'd say it's more likely that the majority of players read the idea, think "Well... duh, that's an obvious change that needs to be made" and move on without bothering to comment. This isn't homogenization, it's removal of misleading language. Don't put the word "artillery" into an autocannon, just like you wouldn't put the word "blaster" into a railgun, or "afterburner" into an MWD.

My only complaint is about the CamelCase. Ew.
Brian VNF
Tax Evasion PLC
#79 - 2013-11-01 13:58:48 UTC
What about the aptly named meta 4 pulses?

"Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I"

(this applies to all sizes).

one would have a hard time understanding wtf they are without looking at the stats or market categories.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#80 - 2013-11-01 14:06:23 UTC
Brian VNF wrote:
What about the aptly named meta 4 pulses?

"Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I"

(this applies to all sizes).

one would have a hard time understanding wtf they are without looking at the stats or market categories.

Good catch. FoxFour? :)