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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#41 - 2013-10-30 17:32:42 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:
Rose Hips wrote:
I love the humor... but the answer is not acceptable.


CCP Falcon wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Care to reveal what was in that mystery patch?


Kittens Big smile




This is like CCP of 2010 during the non-documentation era to which they recovered but now seem to be going back to their bad habit. Come on CCP you made progress in communicating, DON'T GO BACKWARDS.

Swear down if there are kittens in my captains quarters I'm never boarding my ship ever again!


I know, right! Big smile

For those few people who were upset that there weren't actually any kittens included (we decided to keep them all in the office because they were so cute), I can offer another explanation.

When we put out tiny patches like this, they are of course documented internally, but if they're small back end fixes and optimizations that provide no change in gameplay then no patch notes are provided.

Smile



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Bubanni
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-10-30 18:29:59 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:
Rose Hips wrote:
I love the humor... but the answer is not acceptable.


CCP Falcon wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Care to reveal what was in that mystery patch?


Kittens Big smile




This is like CCP of 2010 during the non-documentation era to which they recovered but now seem to be going back to their bad habit. Come on CCP you made progress in communicating, DON'T GO BACKWARDS.

Swear down if there are kittens in my captains quarters I'm never boarding my ship ever again!


I know, right! Big smile

For those few people who were upset that there weren't actually any kittens included (we decided to keep them all in the office because they were so cute), I can offer another explanation.

When we put out tiny patches like this, they are of course documented internally, but if they're small back end fixes and optimizations that provide no change in gameplay then no patch notes are provided.

Smile



But but but.... sometimes, backend optimization could even cause bugs that you might not be aware of yourself, and by letting the players know what you changed, we become more aware if something is suddenly "buggier" than normal

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MEME Thoughts
#43 - 2013-10-30 19:36:42 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:
Rose Hips wrote:
I love the humor... but the answer is not acceptable.


CCP Falcon wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Care to reveal what was in that mystery patch?


Kittens Big smile




This is like CCP of 2010 during the non-documentation era to which they recovered but now seem to be going back to their bad habit. Come on CCP you made progress in communicating, DON'T GO BACKWARDS.

Swear down if there are kittens in my captains quarters I'm never boarding my ship ever again!


I know, right! Big smile

For those few people who were upset that there weren't actually any kittens included (we decided to keep them all in the office because they were so cute), I can offer another explanation.

When we put out tiny patches like this, they are of course documented internally, but if they're small back end fixes and optimizations that provide no change in gameplay then no patch notes are provided.

Smile



Except that one of your recent "no documentation needed" patches apparently broke the station hanger and item hanger stickyness, have to reopen after each login, yet again. And no - your persistent cache coherency failness doesn't appear to be the problem since a cache reset doesn't fix. Documenting at least a tad can help us help you when you've once again pointed the turret at the wrong body part.
Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
#44 - 2013-10-30 20:12:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Navarro
You guys may want to be more carefull, i don't remember Guristas insta locking drones before.

Seriously, kindly warn people.

I sell drones and drones accessories.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#45 - 2013-10-30 21:40:12 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:
Rose Hips wrote:
I love the humor... but the answer is not acceptable.


CCP Falcon wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Care to reveal what was in that mystery patch?


Kittens Big smile




This is like CCP of 2010 during the non-documentation era to which they recovered but now seem to be going back to their bad habit. Come on CCP you made progress in communicating, DON'T GO BACKWARDS.

Swear down if there are kittens in my captains quarters I'm never boarding my ship ever again!


I know, right! Big smile

For those few people who were upset that there weren't actually any kittens included (we decided to keep them all in the office because they were so cute), I can offer another explanation.

When we put out tiny patches like this, they are of course documented internally, but if they're small back end fixes and optimizations that provide no change in gameplay then no patch notes are provided.

Smile



Confirming. I logged in, this morning, patch applied... used the time to make a bagel. Logged on with no issues.
3 adorable Maine Coon kittens in my CQ. One was brown marble, one was brown tabby, and the other was a grey tabby "cape and hood" with white underbody. They are quite adorable, and look just like my girlfriend and I's IRL cats when they were kittens. Thanks, CCP.

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Oraac Ensor
#46 - 2013-10-31 22:43:06 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
Mind you, we patch several times a week. Most of the time it's never noticeable unless a mistake is made. Most often it's just tiny fixes and internal tooling improvements. If we put out patch-notes for that every time, you could get weeks with 3 patch-notes that just say "Internal changes and improvements".

And what would be wrong with that?

At least we would know that there's nothing for us to worry about.

Do it.
Mac Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-10-31 22:53:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mac Munoz
Oraac Ensor wrote:
CCP Stillman wrote:
Mind you, we patch several times a week. Most of the time it's never noticeable unless a mistake is made. Most often it's just tiny fixes and internal tooling improvements. If we put out patch-notes for that every time, you could get weeks with 3 patch-notes that just say "Internal changes and improvements".

And what would be wrong with that?

At least we would know that there's nothing for us to worry about.

Do it.


Since they just stated that policy was to NOT document when there are internal changes, wouldn't one be able to deduce that if there are no patch notes that the changes are internal changes? Why waste time to satisfy a very small minorities OCD issues?
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2013-10-31 23:10:33 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Rose Hips wrote:
I love the humor... but the answer is not acceptable.


CCP Falcon wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Care to reveal what was in that mystery patch?


Kittens Big smile




This is like CCP of 2010 during the non-documentation era to which they recovered but now seem to be going back to their bad habit. Come on CCP you made progress in communicating, DON'T GO BACKWARDS.


Entitled much?

I'm amazed at how tolerant CCP devs are towards people like you. It's their game, their code, their hardware... They don't owe you jack **** for explanation. Hth.


This. People around here assume that just because they pay for gametime they get to submit a list 10 miles long with demands on how the game devs should be treating them. **** off, you're not entitled to jack.

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Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#49 - 2013-10-31 23:12:48 UTC
CCP, I think your patch might have broken FW "gate sliding" again....

It is like of old where people landing on a fw plex gate and activating it became invulnerable....

Just today it seems even worse in that in Innia today we're seeing ships land that we target and scram (with like 20 points of scram strength) applying DPS, only to then see them slide into the FW plex.

You definately broke something. Cheers.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#50 - 2013-11-01 01:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
CCP Falcon wrote:


For those few people who were upset that there weren't actually any kittens included (we decided to keep them all in the office because they were so cute), I can offer another explanation.

When we put out tiny patches like this, they are of course documented internally, but if they're small back end fixes and optimizations that provide no change in gameplay then no patch notes are provided.

Smile



CCP falcon... part of the stealth changes was to MJD's. MJD's now instantly decloak you when activated. This prevents players from performing the MJD-Cloak trick to navigate through hostile nullsec bubble camps (similar to MWD-cloak trick, but better).

This would absolutely constitute a "change in gameplay"!

p.s. I have a corp mate that lost their battleship attempting the maneuver, because of your undocumented "fixes and optimizations" that provide "no change in gameplay".
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-11-01 05:18:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Caviar Liberta wrote:
I believe by clicking play you accept the EULA. Somewhere in the EULA it says CCP can modify their software when they want to, with or without notification.

The fact that people accept EULA doesn't mean that they don't hope for CCP's good will to provide a little more than minimum.

Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
CCP falcon... part of the stealth changes was to MJD's. MJD's not instantly decloak you when activated. This prevents players from performing the MJD-Cloak trick to navigate through hostile nullsec bubble camps (similar to MWD-cloak trick, but better).

This would absolutely constitute a "change in gameplay"!

p.s. I have a corp mate that lost their battleship attempting the maneuver, because of your undocumented "fixes and optimizations" that provide "no change in gameplay".

Don't worry, CCP just never had an opportynity to learn that keeping their dealings shady is worse than even opely slap community in the face (insert any equivalent here).
~oh wait.

Or maybe this change you're speaking of wasn't intentional. Just a possibility.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#52 - 2013-11-01 05:20:51 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
I believe by clicking play you accept the EULA. Somewhere in the EULA it says CCP can modify their software when they want to, with or without notification.

The fact that people accept EULA doesn't mean that they don't hope for CCP's good will to provide a little more than minimum.



Again, though.... and I *KNOW* I have said this before.... they asked us to stop RMT'ing and botting. Have we? I rest my friggin case.

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#53 - 2013-11-01 10:10:08 UTC
It should probably be noted:

Client side patches won't have anything to do with changes with gate sliding or cloaking changes with MJDs. Smile That's a server side change.

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#54 - 2013-11-01 11:42:24 UTC
Rose Hips wrote:
Another patch

No documentation (feeling like 2010)

No complaints?

Ah... that's why they wanted the new Launcher, so the players would not notice or become tired of these little patches.

Confirming that people will ***** about everything even if it is possibly the dumbest thing to ***** about!
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
#55 - 2013-11-01 12:02:09 UTC
Myrissa Kistel wrote:
I just assume CCP is giving Somer stuff when these type of patches are released.


Fixed your post...
Rose Hips
Zero Dot Zero
#56 - 2013-11-01 13:51:53 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:


And I may add that there was other stuff in the patch, but none of it you guys will ever see, because they are all internal changes.

Mind you, we patch several times a week. Most of the time it's never noticeable unless a mistake is made. Most often it's just tiny fixes and internal tooling improvements. If we put out patch-notes for that every time, you could get weeks with 3 patch-notes that just say "Internal changes and improvements". Smile




Ah well here my dear Stillman you are not quite accurate. I have a troubled client. Because of CCP's woeful support of Mac client issues I have to manually patch my system EVERYTIME you release a patch. When a patch is released I click patch notes. In the past two years, only two stealth patches (3 counting this one now) were released and each time there were many on the forums that complained, and CCP did the right thing and posted followup patch notes for those two patches with a brief statement like "There was nothing of importance, just DUST514 fixes, here are your patch notes" and all was good.

So no sir... we do not get 3 patch-notes every (unstated interval) time. Please don't defend this because you at CCP have done good the last few years since 2010. Don't go back to bad IT habits.

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Doomheim
#57 - 2013-11-01 14:37:13 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Stillman wrote:
.......
And I may add that there was other stuff in the patch, but none of it you guys will ever see, because they are all internal changes.

............


What? Are you saying that every single eve player is locked out from applying to CCP for a job?

Nope, if you join, then of course you'll get to see it.

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Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#58 - 2013-11-01 17:49:30 UTC
A patch a day keeps the botters away. Big smile
Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#59 - 2013-11-01 18:02:50 UTC
Opened thread expecting to find someone claiming one these "backend" patches had messed with gameplay, CCP denying it, and then CCP being proved wrong; was not disappointed.
Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#60 - 2013-11-01 18:31:47 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Rose Hips wrote:
Another patch

No documentation (feeling like 2010)

No complaints?

Ah... that's why they wanted the new Launcher, so the players would not notice or become tired of these little patches.


I believe by clicking play you accept the EULA. Somewhere in the EULA it says CCP can modify their software when they want to, with or without notification.



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