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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#561 - 2013-11-01 07:28:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Rosewalker wrote:


That is a really fishy statement. CCP is not banning SOMERblink from getting GTC referral money from Markee Dragon. CCP is just saying that SOMERblink cannot offer ISK or Blink Credits to players as a reward.

it's an implicit acknowledgement that the GTC sales are fueled by the bonus ISK incentive that goes along with them. now that there is a strict deadline of 1 week, Somer needs to SELL SELL SELL. he's basically liquidating his ISK.
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#562 - 2013-11-01 07:29:48 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps


Not really. There's a reason this mess continued as long as it did before CCP took "action." Somer no doubt padded their revenue considerably. From a fiduciary perspective, that's a good thing. That revenue can then go on to projects like Dust, WoD, and maybe even a little goes to Eve or Valkyrie.

I mean there's the whole hipocrisy regarding rmt deal and pissing off a portion of your player base thing, but it really doesn't make them look like chumps.



To be honest, I believe that the gamblers will still buy GTC's, and spend just as much isk. Only now to gamble x amount of isk they will need MORE GTC's since they don't get free isk through SOMER.

In other words - SOMER has been taking money from CCP buy paying out extra isk, not making money for them.

If CCP are "chumps" it is because they haven't seen this, and instead have decided that SOMER are the most awesomest people in the world and could do no wrong.

Yeah - amazing what tossing around a ton of virtual currency that CCP owns in the first place will do for your image. LOL.
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#563 - 2013-11-01 07:34:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Argus Sorn
Ace Boogi wrote:
Annie Getyourgun wrote:

Oh I don't disagree with you one bit. CCP is in a very tight spot regarding this issue; the original intent (as I understand it) was to allow players to support their community, be it their corp, a fansite, or other entity, by buying GTC through them instead of directly from CCP.

It's the incentives that are the grey area here, as providing an incentive can be seen as anti-competitive.

Katarina was grey-hat about the issue; once the issue had been addressed the hat came off. Somer continuing to provide incentives is letting the community (and whomever gave them a community spotlight) know their hat might not be quite as white as at first glance.

simply idling in their channel woulda told you that a long time ago. they pretty much view the average eve player as cattle. if you go to their channel right now, it's like RMT central. they probably sold 100 GTCs since i logged in and Andrev Nox is even backdating orders and paying retroactive bonuses to fuel even more sales. it's clearly a cash out.



I onced watched some shady guy basically "play" a less than sharp minded female friend of mine in a bar. It was clear as day to any slightly aware person in the bar that he was just looking to hook up and laying it on thick. She thought he was "so sweet".

The SOMERblink chat channel reminds me so much of that moment...
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#564 - 2013-11-01 07:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Argus Sorn
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:

of course, but it really irks me when people call somer a 'community service' and 'trustworthy and honourable' and i see them literally laughing at and bashing the playerbase on a day by day basis.

'community service'? 'trustworthy and honourable'? yeah, about as much as a feudal lord is. they don't even try to mask their disdain for the common eve player.

yup, those people are the cattle.



Sadly, some of those cattle are devs.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#565 - 2013-11-01 07:44:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Argus Sorn wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:

of course, but it really irks me when people call somer a 'community service' and 'trustworthy and honourable' and i see them literally laughing at and bashing the playerbase on a day by day basis.

'community service'? 'trustworthy and honourable'? yeah, about as much as a feudal lord is. they don't even try to mask their disdain for the common eve player.

yup, those people are the cattle.



Sadly, some of those cattle are devs.

Quite a few of them I think. Authority does not always correlate with intelligence.

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#566 - 2013-11-01 07:54:09 UTC
Argus Sorn wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps


Not really. There's a reason this mess continued as long as it did before CCP took "action." Somer no doubt padded their revenue considerably. From a fiduciary perspective, that's a good thing. That revenue can then go on to projects like Dust, WoD, and maybe even a little goes to Eve or Valkyrie.

I mean there's the whole hipocrisy regarding rmt deal and pissing off a portion of your player base thing, but it really doesn't make them look like chumps.



To be honest, I believe that the gamblers will still buy GTC's, and spend just as much isk. Only now to gamble x amount of isk they will need MORE GTC's since they don't get free isk through SOMER.

In other words - SOMER has been taking money from CCP buy paying out extra isk, not making money for them.

If CCP are "chumps" it is because they haven't seen this, and instead have decided that SOMER are the most awesomest people in the world and could do no wrong.

Yeah - amazing what tossing around a ton of virtual currency that CCP owns in the first place will do for your image. LOL.

To be honest I would too buy my GTC through SOMER now, that deal is basically "buy two PLEX get one free", thats an offer quite hard to refuse.

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Frying Doom
#567 - 2013-11-01 07:58:17 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

To be honest I would too buy my GTC through SOMER now, that deal is basically "buy two PLEX get one free", thats an offer quite hard to refuse.

It is almost buy 2 plex get 2 free as you get 2 for the GTC plus the billion.

Good deal, shame it is clearly a breach of the EULA as Somer is clearly a business here to make money.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#568 - 2013-11-01 08:00:24 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

that deal is basically "buy two PLEX get one free", thats an offer quite hard to refuse.

seems fitting doesn't it Lol they are strong-arming their competition out of the RMT market while the getting is still good. they saw Katerina offering 500mil bonuses so they went ahead and doubled down.
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#569 - 2013-11-01 08:08:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Argus Sorn
Honestly the fact that everyone else stopped and SOMER "upped the ante" combined with the garbage they dished out to their patrons garbage about how the ruling was made because of "other people" should make CCP hang their heads in shame for endorsing them.

Honestly it has become almost embarassing to watch CCP be turned into a joke by SOMERblink. About the only way CCP can regain any respect or pride at this point is to shut them down completely for RMT, but I doubt they can bring themselves to do it.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#570 - 2013-11-01 08:25:13 UTC
Oh dear lord, now that's funny. Lol

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#571 - 2013-11-01 08:40:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Argus Sorn wrote:
Honestly the fact that everyone else stopped and SOMER "upped the ante" combined with the garbage they dished out to their patrons garbage about how the ruling was made because of "other people" should make CCP hang their heads in shame for endorsing them.

Honestly it has become almost embarassing to watch CCP be turned into a joke by SOMERblink. About the only way CCP can regain any respect or pride at this point is to shut them down completely for RMT, but I doubt they can bring themselves to do it.

[08:31:00] Formidable Omaristos > anybody know how long this bonus gtc will last for ?

[08:31:23] Paragorn Duvas > The bonus will go away after the 7th, so we'll be investigating other options to cover the server expense after the GTC money runs out :)

[08:32:20] Formidable Omaristos > is this because of what's been said in the forums ?

[08:33:56] Andren Vox > Form - we had a call with CCP this morning. They had to change policy. The system that several fansites (us included) were using to offset server costs was suddenly getting abused by the aspy society forum posters.

[08:34:17] Andren Vox > So they asked us to stop after the 7th, and we of course went along with that :)

[08:35:19] Andren Vox > Form - Meh, not worth raging about. Forum players gonna forum :p We'll keep trucking.

[08:36:04] Formidable Omaristos > i normally win enough off blink to plex my account, but 500 mill will be a welcome bonus for me

[08:38:16] Andren Vox > Form - We've been here 3 years now. Some random forum people who don't even play eve making a lot of noise aren't gonna chase us off :p

[08:38:56] Kestler Jagrafess > i tried to back up what you guys do, or at least silence the ignorant... now apparently im a somer alt

[08:42:09] Andren Vox > People getting that upset over a video game have few enough "wins" in their life, and they're going to fight hard for the pretend ones they're after.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#572 - 2013-11-01 08:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Baali Tekitsu
Ace Boogi wrote:


[08:33:56] Andren Vox > Form - we had a call with CCP this morning. They had to change policy. The system that several fansites (us included) were using to offset server costs was suddenly getting abused by the aspy society forum posters.


I LOL'D

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#573 - 2013-11-01 08:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:
[quote=Argus Sorn]

[08:33:56] Andren Vox > Form - we had a call with CCP this morning. They had to change policy. The system that several fansites (us included) were using to offset server costs was suddenly getting abused by the aspy society forum posters.


I LOL'D
yup. you can't make this **** up. been screenshotting all of this ofc for when ppl accuse me of doctoring them.
Frying Doom
#574 - 2013-11-01 08:43:49 UTC
I love it servers cost around $250 a month, they have made over $135,000 and are complaining about server costs.

What a load of ******* bullshit.

$250 a month could easily be handled with there traffic load with just some simple ads or just the GTC by its self.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#575 - 2013-11-01 08:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
[08:44:55] Formidable Omaristos > wouldn't another way to pay server costs be to keep the same with markee but without the bonus and they gave somer the bonus, then somer gave out more freebies ?

[08:45:51] Andren Vox > Form - we're going to try with just the GTC banner (no bonus) first and see how that goes. We're not in a rush to declare for any method, we'll give it time and see how it plays out.

[08:47:17] Formidable Omaristos > would be awesome if people knew you did that and say once a week tally up and offer a real good prize like a plus blink promo

[08:48:00] Andren Vox > Form - Nah, CCP doesn't want there to be any type of in-game reward related to affiliate links. We're not gonna try and rule lawyer around that.


Twisted

so, they're going to try and see if they still make decent irl money. they aren't in a rush as $135k can pay for a lot of hosting, but they will still be looking into making whatever kind of irl profit is allowed by using the starving server admin defence.

the rule lawyering bit just made me crack up. unbelievable.
Frying Doom
#576 - 2013-11-01 09:03:16 UTC
I think CCP needs to set up some clear guide lines so that the GTC re-sellers are actually operating within the TOS.

For example community sites only not RL for profit businesses or businesses that would be illegal in large parts of the world.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#577 - 2013-11-01 09:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Argus Sorn
Ace Boogi wrote:
Argus Sorn wrote:
Honestly the fact that everyone else stopped and SOMER "upped the ante" combined with the garbage they dished out to their patrons garbage about how the ruling was made because of "other people" should make CCP hang their heads in shame for endorsing them.

Honestly it has become almost embarassing to watch CCP be turned into a joke by SOMERblink. About the only way CCP can regain any respect or pride at this point is to shut them down completely for RMT, but I doubt they can bring themselves to do it.

[08:31:00] Formidable Omaristos > anybody know how long this bonus gtc will last for ?

[08:31:23] Paragorn Duvas > The bonus will go away after the 7th, so we'll be investigating other options to cover the server expense after the GTC money runs out :)

[08:32:20] Formidable Omaristos > is this because of what's been said in the forums ?

[08:33:56] Andren Vox > Form - we had a call with CCP this morning. They had to change policy. The system that several fansites (us included) were using to offset server costs was suddenly getting abused by the aspy society forum posters.

[08:34:17] Andren Vox > So they asked us to stop after the 7th, and we of course went along with that :)

[08:35:19] Andren Vox > Form - Meh, not worth raging about. Forum players gonna forum :p We'll keep trucking.

[08:36:04] Formidable Omaristos > i normally win enough off blink to plex my account, but 500 mill will be a welcome bonus for me

[08:38:16] Andren Vox > Form - We've been here 3 years now. Some random forum people who don't even play eve making a lot of noise aren't gonna chase us off :p

[08:38:56] Kestler Jagrafess > i tried to back up what you guys do, or at least silence the ignorant... now apparently im a somer alt

[08:42:09] Andren Vox > People getting that upset over a video game have few enough "wins" in their life, and they're going to fight hard for the pretend ones they're after.


Shame that CCP Guard has decided that Andrew Nox is more imporant than we are. Does CCP stand behind the crap he is rolling out in these chats? These guys (SOMER) are a plague on EVE, a parasite, that has no respect for CCP or the player base. They should be shut down for RMT'ing - because otherwise CCP looks like a bunch of "chumps" as someone put it.

SOMER is violating the EULA by running a business and RMT'ing and they have shown contempt for CCP by jacking their incentive even higher. They have no respect for what CCP has built and what EVE means to the company, the creators and the players. They should be shut down.

I mentioned already that I talked to Hilmar at fanfest, it was a great talk. And when a guy at the table suggested that FC's for major alliances should be paid cash, Hilmar rejected the idea - he was against the idea that the economic caste system of "real life" should become a part of EVE - that playing eve should become a business.

Hilmar basically focused on how EVE is supposed to be a way for people to escape from their problems, and the dreariness and economic struggles of "real life". Odd he should say that about a game that has its own unique struggles, but the point is he was against the capitalization of the game by the players, and the part in the EULA about making it a business - supports that.

Well Hilmar, SOMER has done to EVE everything you said you wouldn't want to see happen. They cause people to gamble away their real money playing gambling within your game world in a way that has nothing to do with the game and SOMER profits from it. Players are somehow convinced by these guys that they care about them and about EVE and therefore players money at them to the tune of about $50,000 a year. That is $50,000 a year that EVE players gamble away so that Somerset Mahm and his buddies can make a profit. They have turned EVE into a vice, a low and vile thing - rather than an escape from reality. And your own devs think this is great and want to get develop relationships with them.

Their response to the new ruling - by trying to SELL off as much isk as they can in the remaining days: has proven who and what they are. In response, they basically laugh at you, and the players, and spew lies about why this ruling came to pass.

Get control of your game - of your own business, by kicking these vultures out of it.
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#578 - 2013-11-01 09:53:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
[09:50:24] coordinates > some things are not mathematically comprehensible for me, but if ccp cheat supported, then I have nothing to look for here anyway. i have thrown over 220€ out of the window in oktober until know, yea my fault. But maybe an eyeopener for some of you.

'trustworthy and honourable' Somer, doing the community a service of RMTing by feeding the addictions of degenerate gamblers.

[09:49:28] Marcus Aler0n > jeez, I wish I had some extra cash laying around to buy plex with.

[09:52:40] Marcus Aler0n > buy GTC take isk, buy all tickets for large items, take isk payout, thanks for the extra isk somer

[10:01:40] Marcus Aler0n > I think it's ******* brilliant and I wish I had thought of it, It'd be bitchin to be able to pay for my boys school using eve online.

Somer's customers seem to get it, whilst simultaneously in denial. cognitive dissonance at it's finest Twisted
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#579 - 2013-11-01 09:54:13 UTC
Argus Sorn wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:
Argus Sorn wrote:
Honestly the fact that everyone else stopped and SOMER "upped the ante" combined with the garbage they dished out to their patrons garbage about how the ruling was made because of "other people" should make CCP hang their heads in shame for endorsing them.

Honestly it has become almost embarassing to watch CCP be turned into a joke by SOMERblink. About the only way CCP can regain any respect or pride at this point is to shut them down completely for RMT, but I doubt they can bring themselves to do it.

[08:31:00] Formidable Omaristos > anybody know how long this bonus gtc will last for ?

[08:31:23] Paragorn Duvas > The bonus will go away after the 7th, so we'll be investigating other options to cover the server expense after the GTC money runs out :)

[08:32:20] Formidable Omaristos > is this because of what's been said in the forums ?

[08:33:56] Andren Vox > Form - we had a call with CCP this morning. They had to change policy. The system that several fansites (us included) were using to offset server costs was suddenly getting abused by the aspy society forum posters.

[08:34:17] Andren Vox > So they asked us to stop after the 7th, and we of course went along with that :)

[08:35:19] Andren Vox > Form - Meh, not worth raging about. Forum players gonna forum :p We'll keep trucking.

[08:36:04] Formidable Omaristos > i normally win enough off blink to plex my account, but 500 mill will be a welcome bonus for me

[08:38:16] Andren Vox > Form - We've been here 3 years now. Some random forum people who don't even play eve making a lot of noise aren't gonna chase us off :p

[08:38:56] Kestler Jagrafess > i tried to back up what you guys do, or at least silence the ignorant... now apparently im a somer alt

[08:42:09] Andren Vox > People getting that upset over a video game have few enough "wins" in their life, and they're going to fight hard for the pretend ones they're after.


Shame that CCP Guard has decided that Andrew Nox is more imporant than we are. Does CCP stand behind the crap he is rolling out in these chats?


Of course they do, as SOMER is 100% $$$L3G1T$$$, community supporting, and not a scam.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#580 - 2013-11-01 09:55:28 UTC
The thing that's holding me back from buying GTC through SOMER with their new super bonus isn't the fact that they are getting money. I actually don't mind SOMER getting money. I take more offense to the fact that Markee Dragon is making even more money off this than SOMER.

Markee Dragon = known and confirmed RMTer in other games, but still allowed to be a reseller.
SOMER = alleged RMT operation in this game.

But that bonus... oh lord that bonus Cry

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