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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#521 - 2013-11-01 04:06:55 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps

Everyone else has closed down their bonus RMT and Somer has increased theirs to a billion.

A very community based site, CCP should be so happy they are 100% trustworthy Lol

5x-ing the amount of RMT you offer whilst laughing at the community which made you rich in the first place

trustworthy and honourable indeed
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#522 - 2013-11-01 04:09:22 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps

Everyone else has closed down their bonus RMT and Somer has increased theirs to a billion.

A very community based site, CCP should be so happy they are 100% trustworthy Lol

5x-ing the amount of RMT you offer whilst laughing at the community which made you rich in the first place

trustworthy and honourable indeed

honor!

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#523 - 2013-11-01 04:27:20 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

honor!

if you look at those logs i pasted, their customers know that the credit is isk, and that it's for them to cash out free ****. all the arguments that it isn't RMT fall flat on their face. Andrev Nox is even backdating GTC purchases and giving retroactive credit to fuel more sales. they really are acting shamelessly, because they have no fear of repercussions.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#524 - 2013-11-01 04:27:21 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Frying Doom wrote:
Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps


Not really. There's a reason this mess continued as long as it did before CCP took "action." Somer no doubt padded their revenue considerably. From a fiduciary perspective, that's a good thing. That revenue can then go on to projects like Dust, WoD, and maybe even a little goes to Eve or Valkyrie.

I mean there's the whole hipocrisy regarding rmt deal and pissing off a portion of your player base thing, but it really doesn't make them look like chumps.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#525 - 2013-11-01 04:30:38 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps


Not really. There's a reason this mess continued as long as it did before CCP took "action." Somer no doubt padded their revenue considerably. From a fiduciary perspective, that's a good thing. That revenue can then go on to projects like Dust, WoD, and maybe even a little goes to Eve or Valkyrie.

I mean there's the whole hipocrisy regarding rmt deal and pissing off a portion of your player base thing, but it really doesn't make them look like chumps.

Only because they were caught

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#526 - 2013-11-01 04:31:59 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Alavaria Fera wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps


Not really. There's a reason this mess continued as long as it did before CCP took "action." Somer no doubt padded their revenue considerably. From a fiduciary perspective, that's a good thing. That revenue can then go on to projects like Dust, WoD, and maybe even a little goes to Eve or Valkyrie.

I mean there's the whole hipocrisy regarding rmt deal and pissing off a portion of your player base thing, but it really doesn't make them look like chumps.

Only because they were caught

Pretty much. A wise man once said: it's only illegal if you get caught.
Annie Getyourgun
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#527 - 2013-11-01 04:32:11 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps

Everyone else has closed down their bonus RMT and Somer has increased theirs to a billion.

A very community based site, CCP should be so happy they are 100% trustworthy Lol

5x-ing the amount of RMT you offer whilst laughing at the community which made you rich in the first place

trustworthy and honourable indeed


You fail to understand what is going on here.

They are not 5x-ing the amount of RMT, as you put it; they are providing five times the previous incentive to do business with them, for the same amount of 'grey-RMT' The income they gain from each and every GTC they sell remains the same, regardless of the incentive they give out (unless and until their agreement with their GTC reseller changes).

The part to take away from this is while (to use the references in the first post) EVE-GAMES and Katarina Reid have stopped providing GTC incentives, organizations that continue to stay in the grey area until the midnight hour are rapidly losing their integrity regarding where in the heirarchy EVE comes in relation to themselves.

But since you cannot go home at night and feed the family integrity sandwiches, what good is it really?
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#528 - 2013-11-01 04:34:40 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Annie Getyourgun wrote:
integrity

lol, like that matters here.
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#529 - 2013-11-01 04:37:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Annie Getyourgun wrote:

You fail to understand what is going on here.

They are not 5x-ing the amount of RMT, as you put it; they are providing five times the previous incentive to do business with them, for the same amount of 'grey-RMT' The income they gain from each and every GTC they sell remains the same, regardless of the incentive they give out (unless and until their agreement with their GTC reseller changes).

The part to take away from this is while (to use the references in the first post) EVE-GAMES and Katarina Reid have stopped providing GTC incentives, organizations that continue to stay in the grey area until the midnight hour are rapidly losing their integrity regarding where in the heirarchy EVE comes in relation to themselves.

But since you cannot go home at night and feed the family integrity sandwiches, what good is it really?

they are 5xing the amount. instead of selling you 200mil isk, they're selling you 1bil.

as for that quip about integrity sandwiches, you sure got that one right.

apparently the owner of cogdev recently closed a deal on a $500k commercial space, and one of the last 'celebrations' featured Somer moving into her new house, so take that as you will when deciding where the money for that came from.

they've already RMTed a conservative estimate $135k but greed is good, so why not cash the **** out even more? lol


[04:37:48] GIorfindeI > Love how they give out special things to support Somer, then reneg on them... then just **** over Somer'sw main source of server mitigation income... thanks CCP

[04:38:31] Andrev Nox > Glor - The issue was more with a group of people who were abusing the system lots of fansites (us included) were using. It was something they had to put a stop to to stop the malicious folks too. We get why they needed to :)

[04:38:38] 3pYoN > i pray for the bonus to be around in 12 hours

[04:38:46] Sohlstyss Mahm > 3pYoN until November 7th :)
Frying Doom
#530 - 2013-11-01 04:40:13 UTC
Annie Getyourgun wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps

Everyone else has closed down their bonus RMT and Somer has increased theirs to a billion.

A very community based site, CCP should be so happy they are 100% trustworthy Lol

5x-ing the amount of RMT you offer whilst laughing at the community which made you rich in the first place

trustworthy and honourable indeed


You fail to understand what is going on here.

They are not 5x-ing the amount of RMT, as you put it; they are providing five times the previous incentive to do business with them, for the same amount of 'grey-RMT' The income they gain from each and every GTC they sell remains the same, regardless of the incentive they give out (unless and until their agreement with their GTC reseller changes).

The part to take away from this is while (to use the references in the first post) EVE-GAMES and Katarina Reid have stopped providing GTC incentives, organizations that continue to stay in the grey area until the midnight hour are rapidly losing their integrity regarding where in the heirarchy EVE comes in relation to themselves.

But since you cannot go home at night and feed the family integrity sandwiches, what good is it really?

Yes but if they are feeding their families as you put it, then that just makes them guilty of a very black and white part of the EULA.

EULA wrote:
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.

emphasis mine.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Annie Getyourgun
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#531 - 2013-11-01 05:03:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Annie Getyourgun
Frying Doom wrote:

EULA wrote:
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.

emphasis mine.


Oh I don't disagree with you one bit. CCP is in a very tight spot regarding this issue; the original intent (as I understand it) was to allow players to support their community, be it their corp, a fansite, or other entity, by buying GTC through them instead of directly from CCP.

It's the incentives that are the grey area here, as providing an incentive can be seen as anti-competitive.

Katarina was grey-hat about the issue; once the issue had been addressed the hat came off. Somer continuing to provide incentives is letting the community (and whomever gave them a community spotlight) know their colour might not be quite as white as at first glance.
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#532 - 2013-11-01 05:05:56 UTC
Annie Getyourgun wrote:

Oh I don't disagree with you one bit. CCP is in a very tight spot regarding this issue; the original intent (as I understand it) was to allow players to support their community, be it their corp, a fansite, or other entity, by buying GTC through them instead of directly from CCP.

It's the incentives that are the grey area here, as providing an incentive can be seen as anti-competitive.

Katarina was grey-hat about the issue; once the issue had been addressed the hat came off. Somer continuing to provide incentives is letting the community (and whomever gave them a community spotlight) know their hat might not be quite as white as at first glance.

simply idling in their channel woulda told you that a long time ago. they pretty much view the average eve player as cattle. if you go to their channel right now, it's like RMT central. they probably sold 100 GTCs since i logged in and Andrev Nox is even backdating orders and paying retroactive bonuses to fuel even more sales. it's clearly a cash out.
Frying Doom
#533 - 2013-11-01 05:08:06 UTC
Annie Getyourgun wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

EULA wrote:
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.

emphasis mine.


Oh I don't disagree with you one bit. CCP is in a very tight spot regarding this issue; the original intent (as I understand it) was to allow players to support their community, be it their corp, a fansite, or other entity, by buying GTC through them instead of directly from CCP.

It's the incentives that are the grey area here, as providing an incentive can be seen as anti-competitive.

Katarina was grey-hat about the issue; once the issue had been addressed the hat came off. Somer continuing to provide incentives is letting the community (and whomever gave them a community spotlight) know their colour might not be quite as white as at first glance.

I agree the incentives are the problem but with Somer flogging a dead horse for cash, they are showing that they have nothing to do with the community other than trying to milk it dry for funds.

So they are really crossing the line from possible community gambling site to all out income-seeking site.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#534 - 2013-11-01 05:09:50 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:

simply idling in their channel woulda told you that a long time ago. they pretty much view the average eve player as cattle. if you go to their channel right now, it's like RMT central. they probably sold 100 GTCs since i logged in and Andrev Nox is even backdating orders and paying retroactive bonuses to fuel even more sales. it's clearly a cash out.


To be honest, most casinos share that view of their customers.
"I've discovered the perfect business: people swarm in, empty their pockets, and scuttle off. Nothing can stop me now"
~C. Montgomery Burns.
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#535 - 2013-11-01 05:11:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:

simply idling in their channel woulda told you that a long time ago. they pretty much view the average eve player as cattle. if you go to their channel right now, it's like RMT central. they probably sold 100 GTCs since i logged in and Andrev Nox is even backdating orders and paying retroactive bonuses to fuel even more sales. it's clearly a cash out.


To be honest, most casinos share that view of their customers.
"I've discovered the perfect business: people swarm in, empty their pockets, and scuttle off. Nothing can stop me now"
~C. Montgomery Burns.

of course, but it really irks me when people call somer a 'community service' and 'trustworthy and honourable' and i see them literally laughing at and bashing the playerbase on a day by day basis.

'community service'? 'trustworthy and honourable'? yeah, about as much as a feudal lord is. they don't even try to mask their disdain for the common eve player.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#536 - 2013-11-01 05:14:45 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:

of course, but it really irks me when people call somer a 'community service' and 'trustworthy and honourable' and i see them literally laughing at and bashing the playerbase on a day by day basis.

'community service'? 'trustworthy and honourable'? yeah, about as much as a feudal lord is. they don't even try to mask their disdain for the common eve player.

yup, those people are the cattle.
Frying Doom
#537 - 2013-11-01 05:16:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps


Not really. There's a reason this mess continued as long as it did before CCP took "action." Somer no doubt padded their revenue considerably. From a fiduciary perspective, that's a good thing. That revenue can then go on to projects like Dust, WoD, and maybe even a little goes to Eve or Valkyrie.

I mean there's the whole hipocrisy regarding rmt deal and pissing off a portion of your player base thing, but it really doesn't make them look like chumps.

Somer Blink is now going for the grab as much loot as possible before the deadline, and has really shown they are not a community site in any way shape or form.

They are a business that CCP has praised, while Somer has taken as much cash as it can from the players.

The fact is that being a Business is against the EULA, and Somer has shown it very much is a business, and is subsequently against the EULA.

So CCP have been made to look like chumps by calling a business that is there for a profit a community site, they have given this business in-game items because they are so good for the community and CCP has broken its own EULA for this business.

Sorry CCP look like chumps holding the bag at this point.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#538 - 2013-11-01 05:17:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
[05:10:35] augie bendoggy > i know there has been alot of "grey area " discussion.. but really.. if it makes people buy more plexs from ccp.. what do they have to complain about

[05:11:44] Andrev Nox > Augie - it wasn't ever a grey area. Years ago, when we started it, we got CCP's blessing, up and down the chain, before a single GTC was bonused :)

[05:11:46] Andrev Nox > The problem comes from a few problem children who screamed "how high" after Mittens said "jump," who were abusing the system that's been in place for dozens of sites for years. So they had to change policy to shut down the malicious players.


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in case you're getting ready to delete these, ISD. don't worry. i've been screenshotting everything as well :)

looks like we got an answer. CCP approved of this RMT up and down the chain.

yet for some reason they threatened everyone else with bans. because using the same system Somer does is abuse... or something.

and apparently asking for fairness and equal enforcement of the EULA makes you a problem child and malicious.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#539 - 2013-11-01 05:26:12 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:
[05:10:35] augie bendoggy > i know there has been alot of "grey area " discussion.. but really.. if it makes people buy more plexs from ccp.. what do they have to complain about

[05:11:44] Andrev Nox > Augie - it wasn't ever a grey area. Years ago, when we started it, we got CCP's blessing, up and down the chain, before a single GTC was bonused :)

[05:11:46] Andrev Nox > The problem comes from a few problem children who screamed "how high" after Mittens said "jump," who were abusing the system that's been in place for dozens of sites for years. So they had to change policy to shut down the malicious players.


Honestly, he's not wrong, except maybe about the last point. This whole mess started when CCP overplayed their hands with golden magnates and ishukone watch scorpions, that's when MANY people noticed it.

Also wouldn't give ISD a hard time, they're mainly just following instructions, and they did give us considerable latitude in the discussion, well some of them did anyway.
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#540 - 2013-11-01 05:30:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Andrev Nox just called me out in the channel lmao. he's been reading these threads the whole time, yet oddly enough, he hasn't come in to defend his shady RMT organization

[05:25:22] Andrev Nox > Also, everyone wave to Ace Boogi. He's in here biographing how evil and terrible we are, for the forum circlejerk squad.

[05:26:55] Andrev Nox > Happily for Ace, Blink is a horrific service that is universally hated and has never done anything good. So clearly no-one will be using it, and we'll suffer in our exhile.

[05:29:46] Andrev Nox > Shitpoasting NPC alts are my favorites. It's like when fox news cuts away to see twitter feeds from old people. You've got the main spergs serving as the talking heads, then the NPC guys filling in with the peanut gallery comments.


and yes, this is how he usually talks in there. dude is an arrogant prick. love the little quip about fox news too. this mouth breather acts like i'd expect him to.. ad hominems and logical fallacies gallore, especially through shills, instead of logical discourse when faced with scrutiny or debate.