Intergalactic Summit

There was never a question there.

What you say translates in reality to something else. "You may choose to leave or embrace everything that goes against civilized standards and morality:" By welcoming all the worst aspects of New Eden, others are no longer welcome unless they throw away morality, standards and principle. You can't possibly fail to understand the point. Your words may be different, but they do not remotely fit reality.

The Summit thus only welcomes those without scruples and standards, and those willing to mingle with them.

You can say "it's their choice" not to mingle with them, as if this is somehow a failing or an oddity. This is, once you consider it for what it is, almost insanity incarnate. When did avoiding the presence of terrorists, criminals, cultists and flat out monsters become something to be dismissed or be derisive of?

Yes. You should exclude "people". You should exclude the lowest layers of filth. The lowest common denominators. The crazed cultists, the worst terrorists and the monsters that would seek to destroy not only the State you claim loyalty towards but the other three nations as well. A place can only be open and welcoming if those who would destroy such notions are barred from entry, because only then will it be open and welcoming to the other side of the scales.

You already practice a similar thing. You bar people who behaves in ways you dislike. Someone who speaks in ways that are disapproved of are barred from entry, while those who commit the most atrocious of crimes New Eden has ever witnessed do the moderation.

You are not a fool, Oniseki. You know there are double standards at work here, and that allowing the Sansha and others to hold court in the Summit does effectively bar others from entry. Of course, none holding sway there actually wants it to be other than how it is, so this will never come to pass. Just stop pretending that it's open to all, because that is sophistry of the worst sort.

So, Jinari Otsito, would it be fair then to say the same standards should be applied here in the IGS?

Should you not be outraged at the cognitive dissonance of the IGS? Should you not be berating CCL for allowing members of Sansha's Nation the right to post here? How about decrying the allowance of TSF to use SCC operated markets? Or the right to use the same high-security stargates as ourselves?

Or even the right to maintain cloning contracts in CONCORD owned stations?

Where are your arguments against the rest of the places they are allowed to go? What makes The Summit so much more horrifying than official areas operated by CONCORD and its affiliates?

Isis Dea questions Summit moderation on moral grounds.

The Irony is over 9000.

A very simple solution to this issue, and while it will not please everyone it will move it to neutral ground.

Moderators to be One from each faction, be they Empire, matari or sansha, completly fair completly equal.

but thats just my two cents.

Unless I have misread the moderators Listings, Seems the amarr have more reps that the others anslo

Shoot me a neocom message with a date and time

To be honest I support this point of view, not because it will solve the situation, but because it will at least usher in a new brand of butt hurt to blight this forum and others besides. Seems people forgot where their channel creation tools are, as well as the 'close channel' command sequence (the clue is in the quote marks).

Besides, 'enemies of New Eden' is a bit strong. Enemies of the CONCORD signatories and a hack job slavery/prostitution ring with a side in extortion and 'power games' that would make a GalNet fetish community look askance at the theater of it (hello Angel Cartel) is more accurate. The Guri seem to tolerate us and indeed have requested assistance in the past. As for Sarparti's drug peddlers, throw them in with their Angel overlords I guess. For the lazy 'enemies of ALMOST all of New Eden' will suffice.

"We can shoot people all we want in nullsec. Clearly this lowest common denominator should be the norm in highsec too, since no one argues against nullsec."

It may have been a poor metaphor, but there we are. If I have to point out every single failing humanity and eggers have, in communication networks, CONCORD rules and regulations and all other conceivable things before I can point out other quite real problems then we'll never get to improve anything, ever.

Make an IGS thread about how it is poorly set up for civilized discourse and I'll lend my voice to it. I have already spoken of how the capsuleer markets are entirely insane, allowing us to completely circumvent State (and others) laws to trade in contraband, slaves and more. If there's a thread on that subject, I'll lend my voice. If there'd been a thread about limiting the movement of creatures like them, perhaps you'd find my voice on that subject too.

Of course, like this, that too would just be wasting my time. You seem to have no interest in the actual problems, merely deflecting any attempt made at shedding light on them. The arguments have gone from "then just go away" to "Why point out these problems, you have not solved all the other ones in New Eden?".

Where are your arguments for favoring every piece of filth and monster in New Eden over those who would rather not deal with them?

5 pages in less than a day? We must be doing something right.