Ships & Modules

Yeh, that's why I was asking. Did some EFT warrioring and couldn't believe it at first - both Cerbs were hitting 690 m/s ab Caracal, the first one was 503dps RLML using Scourge Fury and the second 725dps HAM with CN Scourge and, according to EFT, applied damage was 480dps against 324dps. If however ab on Caracal is turned off and speed reduced (288 m/s base speed) results are quite the opposite - 503dps against 644dps (Warrior II drones). Can't believe it still... ofc I knew RLML are good but not that good.

Thanks Chessur, I'll check out the fits and think about it, but does the acceleration rate make a big effect at all? Are HML viable at all, before I fly the tengu gonna try the RLML caracal to get some experience and thanks for the answers it's very much appreciated.

EDIT: oh and for the 100mn fit would you fly with snakes or nomads or crystals(active tank fit)?

Now looking at the RLML looks actually pretty good, that dps is applied to any target right?

Actually with standard crash booster, you are basically hitting almost everything for full damage. AB Dramiels are pretty extreme examples lol :)

Seconding this. HAM with standard crash has explosion radius of merely 80. That's small enough not to suffer on dps against dessies

Thanks for the 100mn caracal fit I'll try it out once I get home and get some practice in with it. While I'm practicing over next couple months gonna see who my targets is and base my fit off that with either RLML or HAMs, thanks guys

RLMS will do more damage to cruisers, than HAMs. However above crusier level, then HAMs will start to out damage RLMLs. However with links, RLMLs once again will be on roughly the same playing field as HAMS. At the end of the day, you need to realize this: What does the 100MN Tengu fear?

1. Webs
2. Neuts
3. Jams

1. Webs:

Light tackle / Fast T1 cruisrs / faction cruisers- if any of those ships are carrying a web, you want to be able to kill them as quickly as possible. RLMLS will do that more readily than HAMs.

Rapier / Huggin: This gets tricky. As a fed web, heated, mind linked rapier / huginn- can web you from 108K. Killing these ships with either HAM's or RLM's even HML's is very tough, if they are linked, and use their range advantage. However If that is not the case, again you want to try and kill a cruiser as quickly as possible. Here again, the RLM's will get the job done more quickly.

2. Neuts

Curse / Sentinel / Bhallgorn / Geddon- Really neuts should not be a problem for you, provided that you are not webbed. Your cap booster will easily out cycle heavy neuts, and you should be much faster than all of these ships. Against the curse / sentinel- agian RLM's will give you more DPS on target and allow you to more easily kill the threats.

3. Jams

Rook / Falcon / Black bird / Griffin / Kitsune / EC-300 / EC-600 / Scorpion- Everyhting on that list (other than the scorp) Will be face raped by RLM. HAM missiles will struggle to kill a non webbed griffin, and they will also have a difficult time with ECM drones. Again here, RLMs will cover your bases more readily than HAMs

Oops forgot to add links to the target cruiser Doh! >.< Thanks decided to go with the RLML 100mn active :D

Interesting fit just... why do you prefer warp scrambler rather than web? I mean, it's very good for dealing with Interceptors and such but fast ab frigs could be nasty as well.

Unless you are dealing with a 10MN ab frig, no ABing frig is going to be relhing you while you are moving a 5K/S. The reason why I prefer a scram, over a web on the RLML fit because of a few situatinos:

1. There is no ABing cruiser in the game that can keep up with the 100MN tengu. (except perhaps a 100mn Scythe fleet) So if you have a scram, you are stopping all of those annoying vagas, cynabals, nomens, Scythe fleets that are fitting MWDs. I believe this is a safer and adefensive option against these types of fast webbing threats. When it comes to super scary Snaked, linked, AB frigs you should always be carrying precision missiles, along with standard crash booster. Those two things alone will be effective enough to help break through their speed tank. A fully HG snaked quafed, linked, A-type 1mn Dramiel, with 3 ODI's heating only gets to 4.2k/s. So you are easily faster than him. He has to continually heat to keep up with you- and because you can heat your mods for much longer, can simply burn to freedom.

2. The scram is also nice when you are dealing with fast targets that you want to lock down. A single web is really not going to be effective at holding down that heating MWD cynabal / vaga trying to escape from you. The scram gives you this option.

3. Lastly, the scram can force mistakes. Since 99% of EvE are trash players, and even worse at PvP the scram gives another advantage over the web, it turns off a module. Since most people will simply be clickling approach F1 on the tengu, this sneaky scram turning off the MWD can peel ships off of you more readily. Most of the time the pilot may not be aware that you have turned off his MWD. This is great because, even if it only buys you 5 seconds or so- that can be huge! If you are burning away at top speed, you have already pulled ahead 25K (Which is far outside heated, linked, unbonused fed web range). Trying to force mistakes like these, is what makes the scram superior in my eyes.