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Total Subscribers?

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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-10-26 12:44:31 UTC
Note that the 500k subscriber figure is I believe the number of paid for accounts. And given the nature of the game (Plex!) it very possible for the richer players (especially the economy players) to be running multiple accounts to support their activities. This inflated the subscriber figure a bit/a lot depending on how heavy you think this practice happens.
Maethilar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-10-26 13:26:47 UTC
Herzov wrote:
I was just wondering since this game has gotten quite a bit of coverage and I was expecting a huge community playing at all times of the day.
If that's the case, where the hell did the subs go? are people here alt-alholics?



You should have in mind that the space is so huge in this game that sometimes even with 50k characters logged the space looks empty, also maybe you are in a less populated area, some regions of the game are more populated than others. It's different from other games because in most MMOs you have like 3 or 4 maps for each "level" but in EVE there is no such levels like you should already know and than people tend to look for less populated systems where they can run their business with less competition.


You can always go to Jita and there I'm sure you'll find lots of players. Lol
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#23 - 2013-10-26 16:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Note that the 500k subscriber figure is I believe the number of paid for accounts. And given the nature of the game (Plex!) it very possible for the richer players (especially the economy players) to be running multiple accounts to support their activities. This inflated the subscriber figure a bit/a lot depending on how heavy you think this practice happens.

A paid account is a paid account, doesn't really matter who paid for it... PLEX don't (usually) pop out of thin air, somebody had to pay cash to make them appear in the first place.
And the last time they gave any sort-of-official figures, between 20% and 25% of paid accounts were paid for with PLEX.

P.S. If you mean "number of people playing" vs "number of paid accounts", that's a bit more difficult to ascertain (for a number of reasons I won't delve into unless you insist).
And yes, it's fairly obvious there's far more paid accounts than actual people playing (the occasional account sharings notwithstanding).
Gut guesstimate? I'd say about 1.5 accounts per real-life person on average. With a lot of people having just one, a decent number having 2, a few 3 or more, and very few entire armies of accounts.
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-10-26 17:02:52 UTC
There have been a lot of good responses already but I figured I'd address this bit specifically:

Herzov wrote:

If it's not, where are the numbers coming from? I am very interested in this MMO game but after seeing the news of OMG 500K subs and then loggin in to see a mere peanut gallery of 20-30k people is headscratch worthy.

Thanks a lot in advance.


The 500,000 subscription number refers to the total number of subscribers. Just like how WoW is said to have had over 10 million accounts at one time. When WoW had 10 million accounts it didn't have 10 million people playing at any given time.

If there are 500,000 subscribers and 50,000 are online at peak time then 10% of the population is online. That isn't bad for a normal day and seems about right.

At the moment that I am writing this there are just under 44,000 players online.

If you consider that all of those players who are logged in are all on the same server that's pretty wild.

EVE Online continues to grow its player base which is an oddity in the MMO world since it is the only MMO to do so year after year since release. There was definitely a wobble in subscription numbers a couple of years ago but that has since been rectified.

If you are worried about EVE's population I wouldn't worry too much - it continues to grow and there are enough people online at any given time to run into players everywhere in Highsec and in most places in 0.0.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#25 - 2013-10-26 22:32:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaju Enki
I don't know what number did you expected to see online, but 40k online is great in a game like EvE, it's a single-server environment, their are no realms like in other games, for exemple in themepark games like world of warcraft the server/realm capacity is 3000 players online.

EvE Online has subscribers all over the world., while you are sleeping the game keeps going, people from the other side of the world are playing.

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-10-27 11:20:21 UTC
eve has 500k subscribers, but most are people with more than one account, the people actively logged in are usually pvpers, while other people only login to train skills or craft something and logout. The game has never had 500 thousand people logged in at the same time.

Your average wow server has 3000 people logged in.
Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-10-27 16:18:40 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
At least one other thread on the issue of falling player numbers has been closed by the ISD for supposed 'trolling'.



Please elaborate.....

Darian
Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-10-27 16:21:19 UTC
Also.....

PLEX IS A RIPOFF PLAIN AND SIMPLE - DONT USE IT.

PLEX IS ONLY WORTH 300-350MIL ISK AND IS BEING SOLD FOR UPWARDS OF 500-600MIL.

Darian
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-10-27 16:39:46 UTC
Darian en Chasteaux wrote:
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
At least one other thread on the issue of falling player numbers has been closed by the ISD for supposed 'trolling'.



Please elaborate.....

Darian

If you are genuinely interested about the server population of people logging into the game at any given time you can go here:

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

CCP makes the information easily accessible and that site tracks the number of players online.

According to some players EVE Online has been in "decline" since it opened.

Strangely, the overall population of the game has steadily increased year over year since release.

And yet there are constantly posts in the forums loudly proclaiming the impending "death" of EVE Online and how it is "dying."

And, Darian, the value of PLEX is whatever people are willing to pay for it. You may be willing to pay up to a maximum of 350 million ISK and that's great. Other people are clearly willing to pay more so the market will reflect that. If you want to discuss the merits of market forces I would suggest making use of the subforum dedicated to that topic: Market Discussions ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=253 ).
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#30 - 2013-10-28 01:07:31 UTC
Average logins at any given time are what, 30k?

That's 6% of the playerbase - meaning each account is on average logged in 10 hours per week.

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Frying Doom
#31 - 2013-10-31 13:27:00 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Note that the 500k subscriber figure is I believe the number of paid for accounts. And given the nature of the game (Plex!) it very possible for the richer players (especially the economy players) to be running multiple accounts to support their activities. This inflated the subscriber figure a bit/a lot depending on how heavy you think this practice happens.

The number is the amount of active accounts, it includes trial accounts active as well.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-10-31 22:36:51 UTC
Wow, the difference between active subscriptions and accounts online NOW.

how hard was it to figure that out.

Sorry, but WoW or any other MMO has the same thing, NOT everybody plays at the same time, there is things called real life (although for some I think they don't know they have one) and timezone difference.

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#33 - 2013-11-01 03:19:08 UTC
Herzov wrote:
I was just wondering since this game has gotten quite a bit of coverage and I was expecting a huge community playing at all times of the day.
If that's the case, where the hell did the subs go? are people here alt-alholics?



500K sounds reasonable when you consider EVE is an international game covering all timezones and is played mostly by older gamers with jobs & families.
That 500k figure would include have to include alt accounts, so id guess maybe 150-200K individuals at most.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#34 - 2013-11-01 03:26:28 UTC
Darian en Chasteaux wrote:
Also.....

PLEX IS A RIPOFF PLAIN AND SIMPLE - DONT USE IT.

PLEX IS ONLY WORTH 300-350MIL ISK AND IS BEING SOLD FOR UPWARDS OF 500-600MIL.

Darian



Depends which side of the shop counter you stand on.

Personally - I prefer 600mil for plex when I sell them.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#35 - 2013-11-01 14:05:57 UTC
I think 500K is an inflated number, but I don't think it matters. There are plenty of people where ever you go (except maybe null sec?). In fact, I think it's harder to find a nice quiet spot to yourself if that's what you want.

Barak Degre
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-11-01 15:59:19 UTC
Darian en Chasteaux wrote:
Also.....

PLEX IS A RIPOFF PLAIN AND SIMPLE - DONT USE IT.

PLEX IS ONLY WORTH 300-350MIL ISK AND IS BEING SOLD FOR UPWARDS OF 500-600MIL.

Darian

The value is what people are willing to pay, if PLEX are going at 600mil it means people are willing to pay the price, if for them it wasn't worth they wouldn't buy and price would go down.

The fact that for you is a ripoff doesn't mean that isn't the market value.

Also, we're going OT.

Also, I don't understand why is so important to know subscriptions and why people even raised WoW as a comparison, the games are completely different, being 2 MMOs doesn't mean they can be compared, the only MMO that remotely compared maybe was DAOC, which, if I recall correctly, might have done EVE's numbers at it's peak, but should be nowhere close now.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#37 - 2013-11-07 11:54:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Actually, the proper measure for PLEX "pricing" is not really absolute in-game ISK nor absolute RL-cash, but rather hours (as a work-equivalent, be it in-game or in RL) which then translate into different ISK amounts depending on player.

For somewhat casual players with decent (not even that high) RL wages, a PLEX might be worth 1-2 hours of RL work but 20-30 hours of in-game work.
For them, if thinking about buying PLEX with ISK, even 100 mil ISK might seem like way too high.
Obviously, they'll usually be only selling PLEX for ISK.

For hardcore expert players with very low RL wages, a PLEX might be worth 12-24 hours of RL work but 2-3 hours of in-game work.
For them, if thinking about selling PLEX for ISK, even 3 billion ISK might not seem like anywhere close to enough.
Obviously, they'll usually be only buying PLEX for ISK.

In-game ISK price of PLEX reflects the overall balance between the two separate camps (well, in reality, it's not like there's two distinct camps, rather a very long string of assessments in a row stretching more or less uniformly from one extreme to the other, with people shifting places all the time on the spectrum).

Also, not every player can get extra work hours in RL, but most can easily get more in-game work done, and not all regard in-game work as actual work, which further skews the balance point towards higher ISK values for a PLEX beyond what you'd expect otherwise.
Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-11-08 14:51:46 UTC
Usually only 10% of a MMO population is online.
Nolen Cadmar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-11-08 15:03:25 UTC
Darian en Chasteaux wrote:
Also.....

PLEX IS A RIPOFF PLAIN AND SIMPLE - DONT USE IT.

PLEX IS ONLY WORTH 300-350MIL ISK AND IS BEING SOLD FOR UPWARDS OF 500-600MIL.

Darian


How exactly does one determine how much PLEX is REALLY worth? It's an item on the open market. Its value is dictated by supply and demand. So if it's selling at 500-600 mil, guess what? That's what it's worth!

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Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#40 - 2013-11-08 20:14:50 UTC
EvE might not have millions subscribers, but what it does ave is nearly fanatic loyal player base. So fanatic in fact it makes headlines all over gaming industry news outlets when players go riots...

Were small but louder then anything else out there. Our market has set new standards how markets in mmo´s should work, etc... Heck other copy the model we allready have here...

Not bad for small Icelandic game development company focusing making the best space Sci-Fi mmo.

Last i heard eve has subscriber count that has surpassed population of Iceland. Just becouse there 30-50k people online, its just small part of that. But all those people share the same universe. Its not divided up into separate shards like other mmo´s do. When we have big fight, there's chance everyone will hear it.

So don't let it fool you that you only see 40k people online. We still make precedents on how mmo´s should work and EvE's players has been making headlines regularly with battles sizes you can only dream about in other games..

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...

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