EVE General Discussion

The object of the Highsec Capitals rules are to allow those Capital ships which were built in Highsec and which never left and which therefore represent a piece of grandfathered history to persist while ensuring that they have no impact on the game at all other than as tourist attractions.

The first question therefore is whether this Archon is a true highsec capital. If it is then you're running into the issue of aggression; by agressing the Customs Office you're breaking the first rule... so don't.
If it isn't a true highsec capital then aggressing the customs office would amount to an exploit and (probable) ban... so don't; just move it back to where you need it and avoid the attentions of the GMs.

In short...
No, I would not support a change to the rules on Highsec Capitals.

The only exception I would make would be to have a CCP managed and updated register of highsec capital holders* and to allow the trading again.

*Alternative, give each current and bona fide highsec capital a "certificate" of authenticity; any capital in highsec which does not have a "certificate" in its cargohold will be moved to lowsec...

For "certificate" read "Specialist Exotic Dancer entitled The 'You won EVE dance'".

Hello again.

As promised we looked over the existing rules and clarified them as well as we could.

Capitals in Highsec on the Evelopedia

Hopefully what you may and may not do with these ships currently should be very clear.

Of note:

• "Two week ban" for breach against the rules has been removed. The only action will be removing the ship in question to low sec. Exception being if the ship changed ownership then that transaction will be reversed and the original owner warned (multiple/repeat warnings of any kind may result in a ban). The ban was not something we were enforcing and therefore should not belong in the rules any more.


• Addressed changes to the war mechanics not reflected in the old rules.


• Addressed changes in the crimewatch system not properly reflected in the old rules.


• Expanded the history section a bit. Still digging through the old site and might update with proper links and references when we find them.

Comments and suggestions are welcome. We also thank you for all the feedback already given in this thread. We'll continue to keep an eye on the discussion here. :)

So since a player with a HS capital can never acquire an aggression flag with a cap and they cannot undock one during a war, the rest of us are denied the opportunity of destroying their HS capital ship. In eve destroying rare ships is an achievement - for confirmation just look at the destruction of the rev by "bl." Now we have a class of ships that cant be destroyed because of the "rules." Seems very short sighted, anti-sandbox and very un-eve like to me.

I have a question.
Since this has all escalated from Astecus having a rage fit over his carrier, and he's now had it restored, it makes me wonder how he got away with receiving it in the first place?
Since capitals in high sec can never be traded within the rules, how did he receive the carrier in trade in September? And surely the act of receiving the carrier is in violation of the rules anyway? So why was it reimbursed?

The rules do not forbid others to attempt a suicide gank. The capital pilot has the onus of not initiating any actions or take any actions to persist flagging.



The original phrasing of the rules as they were on the Evelopedia prior to us editing it (can view edit history to confirm this):
"4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space."

Previously the act of selling the ship was a violation, this is now expanded to include all ownership change. The previous phrasing was simply inadequate. Assuming that your statement in regard to his trade is true, we would in all likelihood leave it be unless ISK or other assets were involved in the trade (thus falling under the old phrasing).

If you feel this is cause for concern then we invite you to contact us with a support ticket and the matter will be reviewed, and we will attempt to address your concerns.

As mentioned in the themittani.com article, the Archon was indeed given to me for free. Since I got it fully fitted, and have since changed the fit, I have refrained from giving the old unused fitting back to the previous owner, solely because of the rule against selling these ships.


This is a good question. To be honest, I don't really see why they could not be traded freely, just like every other unique/limited ship. In what situation would this become a problem?

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Also, has this abomination been put to rest yet?

Shhh! Stop spitting on my cupcake man!

After reviewing the updated rules I find no disagreement with everything except wether or not these ships can change ownership. The most moving moment in eve history for me was encountering a Chimera in Korsiki. After the moment of abject panic passed and I realized I hadn't made a wrong turn into lowsec I spent a good 20min admiring it. That particular moment set me on a path towards eventually gathering the resources to be able to acquire and fly one of these relics. Over the following months I made inquiries regarding what capitals might be for sale, what pricerange, where they were located and what rules you had to operate under. What I learned was that even if you managed to find one for sale they were at best prohibitively expensive. Obviously my mission running wasn't going to cut it so I embarked on a journey to find where in the universe I was going to come up with the tens of billions required at the time.

Today however I'm looking at this and realising that it was a vain and now useless effort.

It isn't about having the ultimate pwnstar ride, nor about having a ship that could be considered "invulnerable" because no ship in eve is untouchable. It's about owning that tiny slice of eve history and keeping it alive and available so others can see it and be inspired as well.

Since a GM is floating around...

Might I ask, why is there a ban on the buying and selling of such things?

I'd jump at the chance to get one in highsec...