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A Double Standard? (True Slave Foundations)
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Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#41 - 2013-10-31 22:00:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on.


There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderators… The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities?

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Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-10-31 22:03:30 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on.


There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderators… The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities?


Because when asked those more neutral and qualified people said "Hell no" is my guess.
Viktrix Vhymidor
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-10-31 22:04:24 UTC
Is it possible to contact the owner of the channel and get them removed from moderation?

I mean, surprised no one else has asked.




Is the Amarrian-bishop-guy still around?
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#44 - 2013-10-31 22:08:02 UTC
Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on.


There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderators… The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities?


Because when asked those more neutral and qualified people said "Hell no" is my guess.


With the number of other channels functioning in similar operation, no wonder I'm laughing so hysterically at that statement.

I think you need to go back to the academy and retake your social behavior classes.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#45 - 2013-10-31 22:10:22 UTC
Viktrix Vhymidor wrote:
Is it possible to contact the owner of the channel and get them removed from moderation?

I mean, surprised no one else has asked.

Is the Amarrian-bishop-guy still around?


Yes. Feel free to contact Cardinal Graelyn and request Tiberious' removal. Be sure to suggest Isis Dea as his replacement.

I'm sure he could use a good laugh.

Katrina Oniseki
Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-10-31 22:12:03 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on.


There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderators… The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities?


Because when asked those more neutral and qualified people said "Hell no" is my guess.


With the number of other channels functioning in similar operation, no wonder I'm laughing so hysterically at that statement.

I think you need to go back to the academy and retake your social behavior classes.



You could always throw your application in to become a moderator I guess Isis, but I don't know of another channel the Faction commanders frequent as much as the Summit.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#47 - 2013-10-31 22:12:08 UTC
While I strongly hold my objections against the TSF and keep things as civil as the rules of the Summit dictate, and no further, I will state one truth, even if it goes in their favour.

No moderator associated with the TSF, Kuvakei, or Sansha's Nation has ever banned or disciplined me for my very vocal dislike against them, even in times where I've not held back on speaking my mind with a very blunt nature.

While I may hold a very negative set of opinions regarding Thessalonia's political and ethical statuses, I've never seen him moderate The Summit with any sense of favouritism or bias, it's his one redeeming quality in fact. While that does not justify his many damning characteristics, it's unfair to make false accusation against him regardless.


This does not reflect my opinion regarding my personal opinion on the subject Captain Dea raised, but I thought I'd at least clear up some of the false accusations made.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#48 - 2013-10-31 22:12:16 UTC
Pilot Dea, your issue seems to be sand in places that we have alot of enemies. The Amarr Empire too has alot of enemies. However like the Empire we also have allies. So, in your opinion, what percentage of New Eden has to hate me before I am magically incapable of being neutral in a setting that requires it for continued diplomatic operation?
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-10-31 22:15:48 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Viktrix Vhymidor wrote:
Is it possible to contact the owner of the channel and get them removed from moderation?

I mean, surprised no one else has asked.

Is the Amarrian-bishop-guy still around?


Yes. Feel free to contact Cardinal Graelyn and request Tiberious' removal. Be sure to suggest Isis Dea as his replacement.

I'm sure he could use a good laugh.


Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not familiar with who is or isn't a moderator on there. As said, I've greatly despised that channel.

But wouldn't you, Katrina, not be a more suitable candidate for moderation?

You're entirely neutral and fair, where I have seen you voice here within the IGS. And you represent a legal front within one of the four factions.
Your face is known.
You would only need to enforce apparently the use of genitals in the channel it seems...

You'd have my vote.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2013-10-31 22:17:32 UTC
Saber1 wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Viktrix Vhymidor wrote:
Is it possible to contact the owner of the channel and get them removed from moderation?

I mean, surprised no one else has asked.

Is the Amarrian-bishop-guy still around?


Yes. Feel free to contact Cardinal Graelyn and request Tiberious' removal. Be sure to suggest Isis Dea as his replacement.

I'm sure he could use a good laugh.


Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not familiar with who is or isn't a moderator on there. As said, I've greatly despised that channel.

But wouldn't you, Katrina, not be a more suitable candidate for moderation?

You're entirely neutral and fair, where I have seen you voice here within the IGS. And you represent a legal front within one of the four factions.
Your face is known.
You would only need to enforce apparently the use of genitals in the channel it seems...

You'd have my vote.


She's already a moderator, although I'm not disposed to hand over command authority over my genitals to her.

Not without dinner, anyway.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#51 - 2013-10-31 22:22:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

She's already a moderator, although I'm not disposed to hand over command authority over my genitals to her.

Not without dinner, anyway.


I believe your wife already has complete command over them anyways.

Quote:
Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not familiar with who is or isn't a moderator on there. As said, I've greatly despised that channel.

But wouldn't you, Katrina, not be a more suitable candidate for moderation?

You're entirely neutral and fair, where I have seen you voice here within the IGS. And you represent a legal front within one of the four factions.
Your face is known.
You would only need to enforce apparently the use of genitals in the channel it seems...

You'd have my vote.


Your vote of confidence is both heartwarming and wholly appreciated.

I do try.

Katrina Oniseki
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#52 - 2013-10-31 22:25:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Pilot Dea, your issue seems to be sand in places that we have alot of enemies. The Amarr Empire too has alot of enemies. However like the Empire we also have allies. So, in your opinion, what percentage of New Eden has to hate me before I am magically incapable of being neutral in a setting that requires it for continued diplomatic operation?


It's not the percentage of hate, as Saber put, it is the question of legality.

You are an enemy of all four empires.

You aren't neutral. You're a heart-ripping reminder of injustice at large, regardless of whoever you support.

And for you drift aimlessly around as a neutral party only infuriates those who've suffered to that injustice further, especially from a place of moderation.

Yet it isn't just you. It is every illegal or envisioned evil party that is empowered to moderate or have a large say within this community.

I'll swallow the Amarr, my kind and them will always be enemies that have to find new ways to tolerate each other.

But Sansha? And God knows who comes next?

**** no.

This is New Eden. Even the law-abiding community gets a say. Especially what it comes to the grounds of what should be neutral across the four empires.

Katrina Oniseki wrote:

I do try.


Your credentials, as I'm sure you're noticing how much I'm emphasizing them now, have me also pointing at you and going, "This is a moderator. This is a voice of the four empires. Not someone who's going to take my entire family in the dead of night and then ban me later for outlashing at them within The Summit…"

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#53 - 2013-10-31 22:27:31 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:

He and his entire corp are enemies of all New Eden.

THAT PART. …is the problem for I and I'm sure a number of others here.



Laughably false. Omir's sect and Nation are fast friends, as is my own.



Back to the topic, perhaps you should start your own channel if you find the environment so atrocious to your standards.


Or, maybe complain some more.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#54 - 2013-10-31 22:27:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Graelyn
Saber1 wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not familiar with who is or isn't a moderator on there. As said, I've greatly despised that channel.

But wouldn't you, Katrina, not be a more suitable candidate for moderation?


Katrina is a moderator.

You seem to have zero knowledge of the channel at hand.

You also repeatedly bleat your strong opinions, and opposition of it.

You have a deep-seated hatred of something of which you have no knowledge whatsoever.

There is a word for that.
This word describes and defines everything you say and do.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#55 - 2013-10-31 22:27:59 UTC
The only issue is that the Summit is not a community exclusive to law abiding citizens of the four Empires. It's a melting pot for all Capsuleers regardless of their political or ethical standpoint.


You're welcome to have a channel for those who abide by CONCORD law and standing if you wish to keep it clean of criminal influence.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-10-31 22:30:52 UTC
Something else I feel I should add;

I often find it the height of irony that the most -despised- capsuleers... the "psychopaths" and mass murderers that are the least loved among New Eden, have made some of the best and most even-handed moderators in the Summit.

And more irony here, the ones that often crow about injustice and common morality end up being the most biased and rabble-rousing malcontents I've ever seen.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#57 - 2013-10-31 22:31:42 UTC
Perhaps that's the key point here.

The Summit isn't neutral. It has degraded into the foul corner of New Eden where all the criminals get to hang out and are protected from the wrath of their actions.

So entirely disgusting...

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Saber1
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-10-31 22:34:19 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Perhaps that's the key point here.

The Summit isn't neutral. It has degraded into the foul corner of New Eden where all the criminals get to hang out and are protected from the wrath of their actions.

So entirely disgusting...



Now you see why I don't go there. Even the description of the channel is misleading. Sad
Ivanneth Maethor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-10-31 22:35:45 UTC
It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied.
Aura'lynn Vindaktris
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-10-31 22:38:00 UTC
Ivanneth Maethor wrote:
It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied.


Which factions?


Signed,
A Curious Party