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Thane Shimaya
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-10-31 21:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Thane Shimaya
Hello, everyone.
I've been solo mining for most of my Eve career, but when the CEO and nearly everyone else from my previous nullsec corp stopped logging in, my RL friend and I decided to break off and form our own corp. Being out in null all by yourself isn't very fun...

So at the moment, my corp consists of just myself and my friend (he only has a couple months experience) together with three alts. Having been primarily a solo miner however, I'm very new to leading fleets and mining operations with a group.
All characters have been flying Retrievers. Though two can fly Hulks, I don't have the funds to purchase them at the moment (soon, though!). I also recently purchased an Orca, and am skilling towards flying a freighter.

Question #1:
What would be the most efficient setup for my currrent characters and ships? I would love to use the Orca for boosting, but without a freighter or freighter pilot, we would lose those bonuses when I dock to unload. Losing range could mean ore/time/ISK wasted. My present options it seems are:
5 Retrievers
1 Orca x 4 Retrievers
1 Orca x (2 Hulks + 2 Retrievers) *Eventually...

Question #2:
Being a brand new CEO and mining fleet coordinator, I'm almost entirely clueless as to how to pay my friend and any future corpmates. Should I go by time spent mining? Value of ore mined? Is there a standard that most mining fleets follow? I've been selling my own refined minerals to another corp who buys at 90% of the Jita max buy order, until I can fly a freighter to move the materials myself. Should I be buying my corpmates ores at a discount as well, in order to turn a profit for the corp?

Question #3:
My short term goals for my new corporation are simply to make as much ISK as possible. Long term, I would like to leave high sec and establish outposts either in low sec or null and manufacture ships and modules. Personally, I have little experience with either POS setup or manufacturing. Would it be wise to entrust these areas to the knowledge of future corpmates, or wiser to spend my own ISK and time training skills, going through trial and error figuring out what works best?

Any advice or help is greatly appreciated!

-T. Shimaya

Well. This changes things...
Jimmy Karaka
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-10-31 22:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jimmy Karaka
Although I cannot answer all of your questions - I can provide one solution to your payment scheme question. The ISK in which each Mining Op attendee gets should be based on two things: Time spent in Op and the ship they are using (this includes their roles - ie: if someone is using a freighter, they should get a different amount to someone using a Covetor. And of course, a Covetor pilot should get less than a Hulk pilot).

Working out exact figures would be at your own discretion, although yes, I do advise taking a % (somewhere in the region of 5-10% is what I would take personally, although again this is at your discretion). I also advise pricing the ore up as perfectly refined minerals rather than ore (assuming you have access to perfect refining) since the price will differ and thus affect your production line profits (now or in the future, if you aren't currently manufacturing).

I also suggest using something such as "Mining Buddy" to work this out for you. Your members just need to have an account with your Mining Buddy corporate account. You set up the op, when you have one planned, they hit "Join" when they start mining and "Leave" when they stop. It's all automated so it calculates the ship they used, the time they spent. I've not actually set one up but have used one as a Miner within a corporation that uses it - so I suggest looking into a bit more since I don't know the full ins-and-outs of it but from what I've seen, it works well. I also don't think it's free, but I'm not sure how much it is so you'd have to take that expense into account. Their site is: http://miningbuddy.net/

Although very little information in a huge wall of text, there's as much as I can help you with.

I hope this was not more hindrance than aid! :P
Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
#3 - 2013-11-01 06:16:31 UTC
#1

Haul the ore from the belts to a Pos or Station with an Orca or Rorqual. You don't want a slow 0.7 Au warping Freighter bouncing around belts hauling your ore after rubicon. You will get caught very fast with the new changes. Have 1 booster/hauler if It's a Orca. Or a dedicated Booster in a Pos if you can boost from a Rorqual. Rest of the pilots should be miners.

#2

Pay your miners well if you do all the hauling and background work and provide them a good environment to mine in. If you don't do anything and given your current setup you can pay them 80% Jita and sell to that other corp at 90% Jita and have a 10% cut for the corp. Keep in mind that if you don't offer anything and just collect taxes you won't have miners stick around.

#3

So you are in hi-sec not null-sec. Your first paragraphs are misleading and i'm not redoing my posts. You really don't offer anything but mining boosts from an Orca. Since you are in hi-sec i'd go skiffs and buffer tank the mids and go max yield as your biggest threat is suicide gankers. Since you are in Hi-sec don't sell to that other corp at 90%. Do the leg work and cut them out and buy ore from your own corp mates at 90% and sell at 100% at Jita.

Make sure you have the standings for max refine returns in Hi-sec. That way you can offer boosts and better refine to corp mates. Base your corp around a good refine station so you can transport minerals. The biggest problem with mining in hi-sec is no one really offers anything good that cannot be achieved if someone is serious about mining in hi-sec. Sure you can make a profit on the lazy, dumb noob but, that noob grows up and takes control of their own mining operation. (cutting you and your taxes out)
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#4 - 2013-11-01 06:46:38 UTC
1. Ideally you want one ship to boost, one ship to haul, and everyone else mining. So in highsec using a freighter is very popular for hauling, the orca stays put boosting, and the rest of the characters never stop mining. After Rubicon Freighters will be dreadfully slow to warp, but I suspect so will Orcas.

2. Like the others have mentioned it should be divied up depending on the ship the character is using, a boosting ship si quite important so they should be payed well, hauling is pretty important too. Then it would likely go hulk - mack - skiff - covetor - retriever - procurer - venture - everything else. However like the others have mentioned you may want to go for gank protection than outright mining capability, which is what skiffs are really good for, and the procurer does it decently as well. The orca should be tanked for max ehp if it is on the field, and the freighter well there is nothing you can do for it (it can't be fit).

3. In Eve trust is a very valuable commodity and isn't wisely shared to just anyone. However you may find corp mates in the future who are very adept at running POSs and running large scale manufacturing. Rather than not simply trusting them limit the damage they can do, only give them access to hangers and materials they need if possible, so they cannot clear out everything should they decide to steal and drop corp. Unfortunately with POSs the roles usually needed to run them mean they could tear down all of your POSs in one swoop, so be extra careful with those roles.

You should always try things on your own too though, because in many ways you may not be able to rely on others to be there when needed. RL gets in the way and people can just simply become lazy in their responsibilities. I have been in corps which people went afk and saw their towers get killed because people didn't refuel them.

I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#5 - 2013-11-01 07:23:37 UTC
happy wardes!

Player run corp in hs is bad idea. you should better stay in npc corp and form mining fleets by out of game channels.
Siern Scottsman
The Singularity Syndicate
#6 - 2013-11-01 07:26:25 UTC
In high sec take the orca and as many miners as you cna to the belt and then have a dedicated hauler for the op flying a Masimos (former itteron mk4) a freighter is overkill for running from the belt back to the station. if you want a freighter use it to haul your refined minerals to the nearest market hub for a larger profit and the ability to pay your people better.

The ratio i used to use is to figure a full squad per belt; 1 orca pulling cans and providing boosts. one hauler making runs from the orca to the station. and 8 miners who keep mining the whole time. when you have enough people to conduct a mining op with more than one squad have one of the orcas fit shield boost links and set them as wing booster.

the key to building a good size industrial corp is to have a community, get people on mumble, or teamspeak. Get them talking, if they wanted to mine alone in silence they wouldn't be trying to join you. Do your research on what is proffitable and start production, the higher your profit margins the more you can expand.

When you get war decced, and i WHEN not if, either get out and learn to pvp as a group and have fun, or tell everyone to stay docked up and watch as your corp withers and dies of boredom.

there you have it the simplest advice i can give you. If you choose to use it is up to you.
BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
#7 - 2013-11-01 11:13:31 UTC
As a previous poster somewhat succintly stated.

You will become a magnet for wardecs after declaring yourself a 2 man mining corp.

Advise that you get this thread deleted ASAP mate. Big smile
My missus thinks of EvE as 'the other woman'. :)
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-11-01 11:54:24 UTC
As you are mining in New Order space i suggest you make sure you are legally compliant with the government of high sec.
Please read the code of conduct here http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
The blog contains references to numerous agents all of whom are empowered to process permit fees.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Kate stark
#9 - 2013-11-01 15:39:35 UTC
Thane Shimaya wrote:
Hello, everyone.
I've been solo mining for most of my Eve career, but when the CEO and nearly everyone else from my previous nullsec corp stopped logging in, my RL friend and I decided to break off and form our own corp. Being out in null all by yourself isn't very fun...

So at the moment, my corp consists of just myself and my friend (he only has a couple months experience) together with three alts. Having been primarily a solo miner however, I'm very new to leading fleets and mining operations with a group.
All characters have been flying Retrievers. Though two can fly Hulks, I don't have the funds to purchase them at the moment (soon, though!). I also recently purchased an Orca, and am skilling towards flying a freighter.

Question #1:
What would be the most efficient setup for my currrent characters and ships? I would love to use the Orca for boosting, but without a freighter or freighter pilot, we would lose those bonuses when I dock to unload. Losing range could mean ore/time/ISK wasted. My present options it seems are:
5 Retrievers
1 Orca x 4 Retrievers
1 Orca x (2 Hulks + 2 Retrievers) *Eventually...

Question #2:
Being a brand new CEO and mining fleet coordinator, I'm almost entirely clueless as to how to pay my friend and any future corpmates. Should I go by time spent mining? Value of ore mined? Is there a standard that most mining fleets follow? I've been selling my own refined minerals to another corp who buys at 90% of the Jita max buy order, until I can fly a freighter to move the materials myself. Should I be buying my corpmates ores at a discount as well, in order to turn a profit for the corp?

Question #3:
My short term goals for my new corporation are simply to make as much ISK as possible. Long term, I would like to leave high sec and establish outposts either in low sec or null and manufacture ships and modules. Personally, I have little experience with either POS setup or manufacturing. Would it be wise to entrust these areas to the knowledge of future corpmates, or wiser to spend my own ISK and time training skills, going through trial and error figuring out what works best?

Any advice or help is greatly appreciated!

-T. Shimaya


1) as soon as you have more than 2 accounts, use an orca. if you're worried about boosts dropping. stop being bad, boosts are only relevant when your cycles end and start, the time between is irrelevant as cycle bonuses aren't checked.

2) if they want to sell their ore to you offer them somewhere between what they would earn unboosted, and what you can get for their minerals when mining in your fleet. they take the cut in isk/m3 for an increase in isk/hour due to boosts and you doing all the hauling. it involves maths, get comfortable with it.

3) if your goal is to make as much isk as possible; stop mining.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#10 - 2013-11-01 18:40:54 UTC
Thane Shimaya wrote:

Question #1:
What would be the most efficient setup for my currrent characters and ships? I would love to use the Orca for boosting, but without a freighter or freighter pilot, we would lose those bonuses when I dock to unload. Losing range could mean ore/time/ISK wasted.


You should not do this with a freighter, you won't be producing ore that fast. Second you shouldn't do this with a freighter because that's dumb. Also I don't think a freighter can even pick up the ore in space like that. If you want a hauler, use an iteron 5 or miasmos or a DST.
Lastly, I don't think docking with the Orca isn't a huge deal. From what I can tell the range is only checked at the beginning and the end of a cycle. Your orca should be able to dump the ore and be back without it causing a problem, especially as you can fit between 80-140k m3 in it for one trip.

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