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New ship type Tarantula

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Malcolm Malicious
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2013-10-31 19:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Malicious
Luc Chastot wrote:
I have a better idea:

8 h
8 m
8 l

No skills to fly.
400% improvement to all stats of every weapon type.
90% omni-resist
EW immunity.
200% web strength and range bonus.



aka eidolon, except skill free
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#22 - 2013-10-31 20:12:45 UTC
Me ofcourse wrote:
Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
ALI Virgo wrote:
New ship type

Tarantula

from an invented bpc

Require four ship bpcs Apocalypse Scorpion Dominix Typhoon

8 lows

8 Mids

4 high 2 launcher 2 utility ( two fangs)

role 400 % damage per launcher.

need all 4 battleship to 3 to fly it,


Amr Bs Skill per level
( 2 % armor resist) (1 % Armor hit points)
(1 % launch missile damage) (3 % drone damage)
25% cap vamp and nut range and strength bonus

Gal Bs Skill per level
(1 % armor resist) (2 % Armor hit points)
(1 % launch missile damage) (3 % drone damage)
25% warp scam range and web strength and range bonus

Cal Bs Skill per level
(2 % shield resist) (1 % Shield hit points)
(1 % launch missile damage) (3 % drone damage)
25% range of damps ECM and ECM burst range and strength

Mim Bs Skill per level
(1 % shield resist) (2 % Shield hit points)
(1 % launch missile damage) (3 % drone damage)
25 % agility and speed bonus


Nulli Must have hit you guys really hard in the head to come up with this idea...


sure sounds like it....

of course its op. but any one can have it and look at skill set. more power sub caps would be nice
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#23 - 2013-10-31 20:14:36 UTC
Caldari 5 wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
I'm finally convinced that Ali is a troll. Or doesn't care. Or is thick.

I'm leaning towards the latter two.

The idea is conceptually overpowered as always.

I tend to agree, however sometimes a troll of an idea, can be a good spring board to open up other ideas and get the ball rolling on into something good.

my intention was not to troll. they are just ideas. but I find it strange how quick are people to say no or be dis respect full this is place to debate right and have fun
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#24 - 2013-10-31 20:16:41 UTC
Onslaughtor wrote:
Caldari 5 wrote:
ALI Virgo wrote:
New ship type

Tarantula
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At first I thought this was Extremely OP, then I realised that it was only Mildly OP

Has 2 Launcher Hard Points, with a 400% Bonus this gives 8 Effective Launchers, basically the same thoughts as Marauders, but with 2 Hard Points instead of 4, It only has 2 Utility Highs, as opposed to the Marauders 3, so the Highs are fine.

The Bonuses aren't probably as bad, however I would remove all of the strength Bonuses and only have Range Bonuses, You have enough slots that you can fit double modules to get the same effect as a single bonused module.

Remove all of the Hit Point Bonuses, and only leave the Resist bonuses, having both is OP. (the resist bonuses would end up worse than current resist bonused hulls, because they are effectively 3% per level bonus, instead of the standard 4%, and given that you are likely to fit one tank or the other, and not both you are not going to get the full effect of both sets of bonuses, although it would make one heck of a bait ship:)

reduce the Speed/Agility bonus, it is per level not a role bonus.

oh and remove the drone bonuses

Bringing the revised version to something like this:
8 lows

8 Mids

4 high 2 launcher 2 utility ( two fangs)

role 400 % damage per launcher.

need all 4 battleship to 3 to fly it,


Amr Bs Skill per level
( 2 % armor resist)
(1 % launch missile damage)
25% cap vamp and nut range bonus

Gal Bs Skill per level
(1 % armor resist)
(1 % launch missile damage)
25% warp scam range and web range bonus

Cal Bs Skill per level
(2 % shield resist)
(1 % launch missile damage)
25% range of damps ECM and ECM burst range

Mim Bs Skill per level
(1 % shield resist)
(1 % launch missile damage)
5 % agility and speed bonus


I would actually say this is more like a concord ship at this point. Tarantula class Concord BS. With appropriate stats you could actually get this fairly balanced. I think the whole duel tank thing is interesting.

Having a 400% bonus with a 20% missile dmg bonus is still a little too good. I would go towards a 330% to 320% bonus giving it 7.92 to 7.68 effective launchers vs the Navy ravens 8 and the Fleet typhoons 8.1 effective launchers. I would stick with the 2 launchers because it severely limits the ability of it to abuse some of its bonuses.

As for the web bonus 25% of a 10km web is 12.5 so that's not that bad so long as its not a per lvl thing. Not sure if by 25% scram bonus the OP meant just the scrambler, or the disruptor as well. If it is both its a little iffy, because ~30km point with 36km OH range is almost too good. But if its just a scram its about the same as the web and is very acceptable.

With no bonus to the ecm or disruptor strength the final role bonus is actually rather tame.

Having 8 lows and 8 mids is honestly a little too much, expectantly for a ship with this much small stat boosts. I know OP was looking for 8 to be use because of the name, but 7 lows and 7 mids is much more manageable.

My only remaining problem with the ship is that it is to use missiles which are a capless weapon. This makes having even 7 mids and lows a challenge to balance. On the other hand I think a good nerf to this fairly over welling problem is to only have 1 or 2 rigs slots.

Last we have to decide on how much Raw ehp it should start wit.

Do we want the 6000 across like t1 BS? (around 90kehp after normal fit)
Somewhere in the middle?
Or do we want the 9000 across like faction BS? (around 130kehp after normal fit)

thank you for your feedback what is it was an officer we can hunt
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#25 - 2013-10-31 21:54:01 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Removed an off topic post.



Lies. The op is still present.


why be afraid of op. :) every one can fly it . it would just mean more fun
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-10-31 22:07:14 UTC
ALI Virgo wrote:
Caldari 5 wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
I'm finally convinced that Ali is a troll. Or doesn't care. Or is thick.

I'm leaning towards the latter two.

The idea is conceptually overpowered as always.

I tend to agree, however sometimes a troll of an idea, can be a good spring board to open up other ideas and get the ball rolling on into something good.

my intention was not to troll. they are just ideas. but I find it strange how quick are people to say no or be dis respect full this is place to debate right and have fun


What you need to do is stop for a moment after you come up with one of these ideas, ask yourself whether or not the idea is actually any good and only post the idea if the answer was yes.

So far the answer hasn't been yes.
Think before you post.

If you're on a date with someone you like, you don't just go "NICE RACK" even if that's what you're thinking.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#27 - 2013-10-31 22:21:52 UTC
Or just have a Concord faction ship that you have to train all four races, and is amazing like they are now, F it
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2013-10-31 23:07:39 UTC
ALI Virgo wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Removed an off topic post.



Lies. The op is still present.


why be afraid of op. :) every one can fly it . it would just mean more fun



If it's laughably overpowered it's not something everyone CAN fly. It's something everyone MUST fly. That's bad.
Luc Chastot
#29 - 2013-11-01 00:15:52 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
If you're on a date with someone you like, you don't just go "NICE RACK" even if that's what you're thinking.

What makes you think he doesn't? He has time to post all these ideas, after all.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#30 - 2013-11-01 01:30:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Why not bring this a bit back to reality…

• 6 high slots, 6 mid slots, 8 low slots, 3 rigs
• 4 launcher slots, 4 turret slots
• 150m3 drone bay, 100mb drone bandwidth
• Shield Resists: 12.5% EM, 30% Thermic, 47.5% Kinetic, 50% explosive
• Armor Resists: 50% EM, 43.25% Thermic, 34.375% Kinetic, 10% explosive

• Roll bonus: +100% damage per launcher/turret
• Amarr Battleship bonus: 4% armor resist per level, +5% optimal, +5% capacitor recharge
• Caldari Battleship bonus: 4% shield resist per level, +10% missile velocity, +5% explosion velocity
• Gallente Battleship bonus: 5% armor points per level, +5% drone hit points, +5% drone range
• Minmatar Battleship bonus: 5% shield points per level, +5% falloff, +7.5% tracking speed

The additional lows are if you want to run a missile-turret hybrid, and are still more than enough for a decent shield tank. DPS would already exceed a Maruader, so there's no need to make it absolutely insane.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#31 - 2013-11-01 01:45:14 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Luc Chastot wrote:
Bischopt wrote:
If you're on a date with someone you like, you don't just go "NICE RACK" even if that's what you're thinking.

What makes you think he doesn't? He has time to post all these ideas, after all.

I once knew a guy that did that. Somehow he managed to get laid every night... sometimes multiple times in one night. I attempted to emulate... got arrested on the first night.

Now either I did something wrong (a definite possibility) or he was one of those people who can practically get away with murder while the rest of us can only look on.

How did you Veterans start?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-11-01 01:53:12 UTC
Oh ALI... still up to your usual tricks.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#33 - 2013-11-01 11:46:10 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
So it's a battleship with bonuses to just about half the things in eve, maximum low and mid slots and an insane damage bonus to compensate for the fact that it only has 4 high slots.

First: Why?

second: No.


I thouroughly enjoyed the epicness of your simple but blunt response
Grunnax Aurelius
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2013-11-01 12:14:47 UTC
i am going to say no, because swiss army knives as a ship in eve dont work, soecialist roles are whats in eve.

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