EVE General Discussion

They could have implemented on this expansion but they chose not to because they see it as a feature to enable in a future expansion instead. They are just draaagging out content. This is what really frustrates me. How do I know this? Because they inadvertently said so. It is alluded to in the Rubicon announcement when Seagull talks about a future sov change expansion where you can "fly your own colors." So, it's coming. But... we know it's already in game, because all ships are ready and V3'd and many special editions exist.

The only thing I can think of is that the interface wasn't ready but they obviously had time to do that because their interface people were tasked to build a ship browser no one asked for in Rubicon. So that leaves: money grabs with special editions and/or holding back finished content to pad a future expansion instead.

I've noticed them doing this for quite some time. Their whiteboards or minutes from player rep meetings would allude to a ship being redone (Heron and some other cov ops I think), or they show a finished model lacking only the texture at FanFest (Sentinel) and for some reason the they never show up.

I'd be willing to bet $100 the Sentinel remodel is textured and ready to go for Rubicon's initial release but they have *decided* to pad Rubicon 1.1 or something with it instead.

Even the Avatar Cloths and Accessories are created very very slowly, its illogical we can cross the universe but we cant paint our ship or have a cowboy hat.

Thats lazy, all games had "discovered" the wounders of cosmetics itens and fluffy bragging rights. Its not like Roocket science, just add more customization and you have lots of pilots working for that for some mounths or years.
10 years ago i could paint all my cloths in UO, but i cant now with Direct whatever X technology. Wtf? Have you ever tested puting colors on ships? 1 day to program that tops?

You guys are too worried about tech issues, all previews and stuff for next expansions are mechanics related or tech... you are forgeting the Social, people... your clients.

Simple stuff makes great games, Conan had the best world engine and was that big fail.

I spent 5 years as a 3D modeller at a gaming company building spaceships. The tools I used are different from CCP (CCP uses an in house modeller I have heard) but the functions will be the same. Each texture for a ship will have a bump map layer, a specular layer, a self illumination layer, and a main bitmap layer. For Eve ships... I have not tried exporting one to view 3DS but I would guess that, for Eve, the main bitmap is actually comprised of two maps - one that is black and white and provides all the detail and another that is detailess except for color information. That is how I would have done it, anyways.

That color map is how ship skinning is controlled in Eve. That data would be on EVERY SHIP ALREADY because every ship is, by default, using the default map which will have an identifier variable of its own. The map is stored locally on your hard drive and is called upon already when a ship enters grid with you. Your computer will send that map to your video card based on the variable it receives (which adds no additional data because you would be getting the default version regardless). Your video card does the rendering.

But, sure, go ahead and continue to swallow whatever BS reason you choose to believe. Lord knows I've given plenty of technical sounding excuses to clueless people like you to extend my deadline in the past. Suckers always bought it too.

If you have time to visit computer games websites that are not work related then your clearly not earning your paycheck. Report to my office tommorow morning at 8:45 SHARP! we need to review the terms of your employment.

They SAID it'll come when they'll include dx11 support.
With rubicon, a dx11 renderpath is introduced.
There was no mention of v3 for quite a long while.
They mentioned changes of lighting once after v3 is done and there's a dx11 renderpath.

Now try to figure out the rest for yourself.

Artists don't make the business decisions. Assuming they are not done already, the art department could knock out color maps for ships very quickly. There is no legitimate reason why ship skinning shouldn't have been part of Rubicon. But I'm sure the higher ups at CCP are thankful for brown nosers who make excuses for them.

I remember one project i was working on, ONE YEAR "WORK", because they could not decide what products to put there, finally the decision came and I could make everything in a week.

Correct me if I am wrong here but using this technique would only allow your client to see the ship that way. If you wanted other clients to see your paint job your color map would have to be downloaded by the launcher and placed into your client. So you are either stuck downloading every color map that exists in the game or downloading color maps dynamically as they are needed causing the slowness issues mentioned.

Also let me clarify by color map I mean more than changing a ship color but allowing for custom graphics to be applied, etc.

these words are true.

I support your concern (Middleware specialist, architect for distributed systems, more than five years, lol). Exchanging the data of all ships in a system with all the clients in that system might be a challenge. You could optimize by restricting it to local grid ("what you see") but I am not sure if there is a mechanism for this. Playing the game does not feel as if anything happens when you enter grid.

So me too, I think "showing your colors" will probably be more like displaying the corp logo at a predefined place on the hull.