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Volstruis
Mise en Abyme
The Ancients.
#2361 - 2013-10-31 13:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Volstruis
Scott Webb wrote:
Nerfing the ships to the point all excitement has gone, a new low even for CCP.


Yeah. Bittervet EFT warrioring ruins another promising line of ships. I'll bet you not one of them intend using this ship for exploration as intended either. Roll
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#2362 - 2013-10-31 13:04:55 UTC
Volstruis wrote:
Scott Webb wrote:
Nerfing the ships to the point all excitement has gone, a new low even for CCP.


Yeah. Bittervet EFT warrioring ruins another promising line of ships. Roll


Bad players get excited about overpowered things from thinking about how cool flying them will we

Good players get mad about overpowered things from thinking about how awful they will be for everything else.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2363 - 2013-10-31 13:07:07 UTC
You know, I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints. Then you could keep the 125m3 bandwidth (as a proper drone boat should have) while keeping its damage in check. This could be the signature bonus for SoE ships - tough ships and tough drones Blink

"Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.
Volstruis
Mise en Abyme
The Ancients.
#2364 - 2013-10-31 13:14:46 UTC
Galphii wrote:
You know, I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints. Then you could keep the 125m3 bandwidth (as a proper drone boat should have) while keeping its damage in check. This could be the signature bonus for SoE ships - tough ships and tough drones Blink


I really like this suggestion.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2365 - 2013-10-31 13:27:21 UTC
Galphii wrote:
You know, I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints. Then you could keep the 125m3 bandwidth (as a proper drone boat should have) while keeping its damage in check. This could be the signature bonus for SoE ships - tough ships and tough drones Blink



you mean an almost useles bonus, Because sentries and heavy droen already have as much HP as a small cruiser. These bonus is useful for smaller drones, but almost irrelevant for the larger, already sturdy ones.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Volstruis
Mise en Abyme
The Ancients.
#2366 - 2013-10-31 13:31:11 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Galphii wrote:
You know, I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints. Then you could keep the 125m3 bandwidth (as a proper drone boat should have) while keeping its damage in check. This could be the signature bonus for SoE ships - tough ships and tough drones Blink



you mean an almost useles bonus, Because sentries and heavy droen already have as much HP as a small cruiser. These bonus is useful for smaller drones, but almost irrelevant for the larger, already sturdy ones.


Then make it a mwd speed bonus or a tracking one. Pref the latter.

Full flight of drones please!
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2367 - 2013-10-31 15:07:29 UTC
Volstruis wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Galphii wrote:
You know, I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints. Then you could keep the 125m3 bandwidth (as a proper drone boat should have) while keeping its damage in check. This could be the signature bonus for SoE ships - tough ships and tough drones Blink



you mean an almost useles bonus, Because sentries and heavy droen already have as much HP as a small cruiser. These bonus is useful for smaller drones, but almost irrelevant for the larger, already sturdy ones.


Then make it a mwd speed bonus or a tracking one. Pref the latter.

Full flight of drones please!



track bonus could be acceptable, and interesting. Speed and tracking combined.

But why? A 100m witth the current bonus is as strong as your full flight of heavy drones.. in fact is MORE powerful when you are smart and use 3 heavy and 2 mediums

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2368 - 2013-10-31 15:38:47 UTC
Quote:
I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints


Yep we thought of something like this also, but really it's much worse. Like others said above, the hp isn't nearly as useful on the cruiser, and it's a huge damage nerf. 50% instead of 20%.

@ccp_rise
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#2369 - 2013-10-31 16:03:49 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Quote:
I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints


Yep we thought of something like this also, but really it's much worse. Like others said above, the hp isn't nearly as useful on the cruiser, and it's a huge damage nerf. 50% instead of 20%.


50 bandwidth and double damage bonus pls.
Scott Webb
Scott Webb Corp
#2370 - 2013-10-31 16:10:55 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Volstruis wrote:
Scott Webb wrote:
Nerfing the ships to the point all excitement has gone, a new low even for CCP.


Yeah. Bittervet EFT warrioring ruins another promising line of ships. Roll


Bad players get excited about overpowered things from thinking about how cool flying them will we

Good players get mad about overpowered things from thinking about how awful they will be for everything else.



Well I will expand on my previous comment then. The original specs ( put together by GMs ) of the cruiser showed great promise in its role as a exploratory ship( one would assume in a singular player role as opposed to a collective gang), without being over the top as regards DPS. After all it's bonuses to tank is in armour not shield. Instead like many ships in eve, it is nerfed to such an extent that you end up relying on your buddies to come along as support in some way. The focus in this game as regards the promotion of collectivism while ignoring the needs of the individual who may just want to actually chill out and have some fun on their own is getting painful.
And to try an intellectually shoot down in flames anyone not for collectivism and on message using techniques like the Delphi is certainly becoming more apparent.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2371 - 2013-10-31 16:12:38 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
50 bandwidth and double damage bonus pls.


That's a very interesting idea. Two sentries becomes equivalent to four and a flight of mediums deals the same damage as a full flight of heavies.

What are you trying to achieve with an approach like this?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#2372 - 2013-10-31 16:14:31 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
CCP Rise wrote:
Quote:
I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints


Yep we thought of something like this also, but really it's much worse. Like others said above, the hp isn't nearly as useful on the cruiser, and it's a huge damage nerf. 50% instead of 20%.

What about a 25% bonus to hp and damage per level but only for medium drones...

That keeps max dps under 600 but allows for great applied dps

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Scott Webb
Scott Webb Corp
#2373 - 2013-10-31 16:17:33 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Quote:
I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints


Yep we thought of something like this also, but really it's much worse. Like others said above, the hp isn't nearly as useful on the cruiser, and it's a huge damage nerf. 50% instead of 20%.

What about a 25% bonus to hp and damage per level but only for medium drones...

That keeps max dps under 600 but allows for great applied dps




That I can agree with :)
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#2374 - 2013-10-31 16:18:06 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
50 bandwidth and double damage bonus pls.


That's a very interesting idea. Two sentries becomes equivalent to four and a flight of mediums deals the same damage as a full flight of heavies.

What are you trying to achieve with an approach like this?


Forget sentries for a minute. It's like heavy drones, except they can move faster than a drake, they can hit cruisers, they use less space, they are harder to kill and they are more easily replaced. Much better than 5 heavies and a 37% tracking and speed bonus or whatever they put on the ishtar and navy vexor.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2375 - 2013-10-31 16:27:06 UTC
Scott Webb wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Quote:
I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints


Yep we thought of something like this also, but really it's much worse. Like others said above, the hp isn't nearly as useful on the cruiser, and it's a huge damage nerf. 50% instead of 20%.

What about a 25% bonus to hp and damage per level but only for medium drones...

That keeps max dps under 600 but allows for great applied dps




That I can agree with :)



then for what woudl you want the 125m bw? Geez people check the numbers.. and see how nonsense this is.


Stop being whiny and use 3 sentries and 2 mediusm like good boys.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2376 - 2013-10-31 16:27:38 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
50 bandwidth and double damage bonus pls.


That's a very interesting idea. Two sentries becomes equivalent to four and a flight of mediums deals the same damage as a full flight of heavies.

What are you trying to achieve with an approach like this?



That would be STUPIDLY overpowered against smaller ships.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#2377 - 2013-10-31 16:31:34 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
50 bandwidth and double damage bonus pls.


That's a very interesting idea. Two sentries becomes equivalent to four and a flight of mediums deals the same damage as a full flight of heavies.

What are you trying to achieve with an approach like this?



That would be STUPIDLY overpowered against smaller ships.


As opposed to a rapid light cerb, which isn't overpowered at all.
Suchi Isayeki
Perkone
Caldari State
#2378 - 2013-10-31 17:20:56 UTC
Does this Intentionally leave out a requirement/bonus for the CovOps skill?
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2379 - 2013-10-31 17:38:30 UTC
Suchi Isayeki wrote:
Does this Intentionally leave out a requirement/bonus for the CovOps skill?


The covops cloak fits as a role bonus, and there is deliberately no CPU reduction for covops cloaks or expanded launchers.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#2380 - 2013-10-31 17:51:59 UTC
RISE... so will all pirate ships get 3 role bonuses from now on?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using