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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#481 - 2013-10-31 14:10:19 UTC
Argus Sorn wrote:
Any word on this all applying to SOMER yet?

CCP - making a statement will stop conspiracy theories - just a hint of advice there m8s.

Let me try it this way - although I doubt he will see the letter:


Hilmar,

When we sat together at the charity dinner you told me how the monocle incident impacted you and you basically said that you felt you hadn't really had your pulse on what the player's wanted. In a way, what you said to me, was that as the CEO you need to take things that upset your players seriously, even if on the surface they seem silly.

I interpreted that further to be a statement of how unique EVE players are. There are so many checkpoints on the way to playing this game, so many points where players can self select out that each voice must be taken seriously. The market base is just too small to dismiss anyone. I mean think about who plays eve. To play eve someone:

1) needs to want to play a space MMO.
2) needs to want to pay a monthly subscription for a space MMO.
3) needs to want to pay a monthly subscription for a TEN YEAR OLD space MMO.
4) needs to want to pay a monthly subscription for a ten year old space MMO that is hard.
5) needs to want to pay a monthly subscription for a ten year old space MMO that is hard and requires work to generate content.
6) Lastly, they need to want to pay a monthly subscription for a ten year old space MMO that is hard, requires work to generate content AND is notoriously ruthless.

It's a pretty select bunch you arrive at once people pass all of those check points. A loyal group and a group willing to pay out big time, but also not a group that will tolerate any foolishness. Your player base is populated by doctors, lawyers, accountants, professors, coaches, businessmen, programmers, engineers and game designers, not to mention countless military personnel. You have a player base of high functioning, intelligent and observant people who are, as you know from hiring them, more than capable of working for your company.

NONE of them, however, not one - is about to pay a monthly subscription for a ten year old space MMO that is hard, requires work to generate content, and is notoriously ruthless BUT...

also happens to be one where the devs clearly violate the barrier between player and dev/designer/judge and in doing so defend it with ridiculous statements about "trust" that over a dozen of your players were able to debunk in less than 6 hours - and we aren't even being payed to do this.

So it insults our intelligence when you at CCP go silent on this. It's bad crisis management, it's bad customer service, and it does nothing to help you or the player base. I have been told that this may be how "things are done" in Iceland. That's fine, but your customers are not primarily Icelandic, and so you need to learn to do business in a way that suits THEM.

Others have posted your words from your blog after monoclegate, and I remember what you said to me at the charity dinner. And now, I say this as someone who genuinely cares about what happens to EVE and CCP: those words are hollow right now, they are just words. If you meant them - you will speak out and let people know what's going on.

Thank You!


On friday theyre going to announce how the whole company was empty because they were on a trip for a week and nobody had an internet connection to speak to people and how they cant figure things out during weekend and please be patient.

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Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#482 - 2013-10-31 14:19:39 UTC
Just got this email form BattleClinic
Greetings BattleClinic Deep Space Supply Affiliate!



I’m writing to let you know of two important changes to our affiliate program.



First, effective immediately please change the affiliate link on your site from HTTP to HTTPS. This is to ensure we protect our mutual customers as well as to avoid website errors.



Second, as a result of certain recent events, CCP has clarified their rules for resellers with regard to ETCs and “bonus ISK” or other promotions. Therefore, effective immediately, we will not support affiliates who “bundle” any incentive that may be traded by the buyer for ISK or other in-game items. Requests for exceptions will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. We will, however, continue to support in-game corporations who encourage their members to purchase ETC from BattleClinic Deep Space Supply, and who also give in-game items or ISK to those members as a matter of in-game corporate policy, because in our view this practice does not violate the spirit of CCP’s rule change.



Also please remember that in order to get paid you must log into your account and request payment of your commissions. They do not get paid automatically. We send all requested payments around the first of every month.



Thank you very much for being an affiliate. I wish you much continued success with the program.



Sincerely,

Chelsea S.

Customer Service Manager

BattleClinic Deep Space Supply
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#483 - 2013-10-31 14:23:53 UTC
Quote:
We will, however, continue to support in-game corporations who encourage their members to purchase ETC from BattleClinic Deep Space Supply, and who also give in-game items or ISK to those members as a matter of in-game corporate policy, because in our view this practice does not violate the spirit of CCP’s rule change.
This is going to need official CCP clarification rather than guesswork from the GTC provider.

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Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#484 - 2013-10-31 14:29:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Katarina Reid
Lucas Kell wrote:
Quote:
We will, however, continue to support in-game corporations who encourage their members to purchase ETC from BattleClinic Deep Space Supply, and who also give in-game items or ISK to those members as a matter of in-game corporate policy, because in our view this practice does not violate the spirit of CCP’s rule change.
This is going to need official CCP clarification rather than guesswork from the GTC provider.


They mean a in corp SRP or isk for noobs but not linked to the ETC affiliate trade. There is no way they could allow a in corp ETC + bonus thing.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#485 - 2013-10-31 14:29:48 UTC
Requests for exceptions will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis

welp
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#486 - 2013-10-31 14:30:11 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:

If Guard does a funny dev video about it, all is forgiven.


Agreed and +1

Guards Videos are always the one s I'm looking forward to. Lol

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#487 - 2013-10-31 14:34:16 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Quote:
We will, however, continue to support in-game corporations who encourage their members to purchase ETC from BattleClinic Deep Space Supply, and who also give in-game items or ISK to those members as a matter of in-game corporate policy, because in our view this practice does not violate the spirit of CCP’s rule change.
This is going to need official CCP clarification rather than guesswork from the GTC provider.


Let me just park my gambling alt in the gambling sites NEW corp to benefit from 'corporate bonuses' .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#488 - 2013-10-31 15:03:41 UTC
Why isn't this information public? CCP, wtf is going on with your PR team??

Furthermore, the most important question: Is Somer Blink one of the exceptions that has been approved?

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corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#489 - 2013-10-31 15:06:36 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Requests for exceptions will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis

welp



Yeah wonder what the chances are that somer will get a exception.

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Alt Two
Caldari Capital Construction Inc.
#490 - 2013-10-31 15:06:53 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Why isn't this information public? CCP, wtf is going on with your PR team??

Furthermore, the most important question: Is Somer Blink one of the exceptions that has been approved?


Everyone except Somer has been asked to stop. Seems pretty clear to me.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#491 - 2013-10-31 15:09:48 UTC
corbexx wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Requests for exceptions will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis

welp



Yeah wonder what the chances are that somer will get a exception.


RIP competition in the marketplace

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#492 - 2013-10-31 15:15:10 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Quote:
We will, however, continue to support in-game corporations who encourage their members to purchase ETC from BattleClinic Deep Space Supply, and who also give in-game items or ISK to those members as a matter of in-game corporate policy, because in our view this practice does not violate the spirit of CCP’s rule change.
This is going to need official CCP clarification rather than guesswork from the GTC provider.


Yeah this is a little odd. So you can no longer offer incentive directly, but you're still alowed to do it if you're in a corp and using the link of a corp buddy? Uhu... don't think so.

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#493 - 2013-10-31 15:31:18 UTC
Alt Two wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
Why isn't this information public? CCP, wtf is going on with your PR team??

Furthermore, the most important question: Is Somer Blink one of the exceptions that has been approved?


Everyone except Somer has been asked to stop. Seems pretty clear to me.


The writing is on the wall. Unfortunately it doesn't have a blue -Dev tag on it just yet....

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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#494 - 2013-10-31 16:37:03 UTC
lol, what a surprise Roll
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#495 - 2013-10-31 16:47:18 UTC
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
lol, what a surprise Roll


How will I ever start my Haus of Discount Timecodes if I cant offer the same swag that Somer can?

Dont these people realize that Markee Dragon and Somers whole business model is based upon the loophole and the exception and shoveling as much real life money through it as possible??
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#496 - 2013-10-31 17:09:31 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Quote:
We will, however, continue to support in-game corporations who encourage their members to purchase ETC from BattleClinic Deep Space Supply, and who also give in-game items or ISK to those members as a matter of in-game corporate policy, because in our view this practice does not violate the spirit of CCP’s rule change.
This is going to need official CCP clarification rather than guesswork from the GTC provider.


Yeah this is a little odd. So you can no longer offer incentive directly, but you're still alowed to do it if you're in a corp and using the link of a corp buddy? Uhu... don't think so.


If I understand it correclty, I believe it is saying that in-game corps may continue to offer their members incentives for using a particular ETC reseller, but out of game affiliate sites may not. The affiliate sites get a percentage of the sale (in real-world money); I don't know what the in-game corps get for referring a reseller, but whatever it is, maybe that's the difference?

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Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#497 - 2013-10-31 17:17:00 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Quote:
We will, however, continue to support in-game corporations who encourage their members to purchase ETC from BattleClinic Deep Space Supply, and who also give in-game items or ISK to those members as a matter of in-game corporate policy, because in our view this practice does not violate the spirit of CCP’s rule change.
This is going to need official CCP clarification rather than guesswork from the GTC provider.


Let me just park my gambling alt in the gambling sites NEW corp to benefit from 'corporate bonuses' .


So how many spies will be in that corp trying to get a reward from the PLEX for Snitches fund? And as a community service, the email address is security@ccpgames.com. Twisted

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IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#498 - 2013-10-31 18:32:41 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Argus Sorn wrote:
Any word on this all applying to SOMER yet?

CCP - making a statement will stop conspiracy theories - just a hint of advice there m8s.

Let me try it this way - although I doubt he will see the letter:


Hilmar,

When we sat together at the charity dinner you told me how the monocle incident impacted you and you basically said that you felt you hadn't really had your pulse on what the player's wanted. In a way, what you said to me, was that as the CEO you need to take things that upset your players seriously, even if on the surface they seem silly.

I interpreted that further to be a statement of how unique EVE players are. There are so many checkpoints on the way to playing this game, so many points where players can self select out that each voice must be taken seriously. The market base is just too small to dismiss anyone. I mean think about who plays eve. To play eve someone:

1) needs to want to play a space MMO.
2) needs to want to pay a monthly subscription for a space MMO.
3) needs to want to pay a monthly subscription for a TEN YEAR OLD space MMO.
4) needs to want to pay a monthly subscription for a ten year old space MMO that is hard.
5) needs to want to pay a monthly subscription for a ten year old space MMO that is hard and requires work to generate content.
6) Lastly, they need to want to pay a monthly subscription for a ten year old space MMO that is hard, requires work to generate content AND is notoriously ruthless.

It's a pretty select bunch you arrive at once people pass all of those check points. A loyal group and a group willing to pay out big time, but also not a group that will tolerate any foolishness. Your player base is populated by doctors, lawyers, accountants, professors, coaches, businessmen, programmers, engineers and game designers, not to mention countless military personnel. You have a player base of high functioning, intelligent and observant people who are, as you know from hiring them, more than capable of working for your company.

NONE of them, however, not one - is about to pay a monthly subscription for a ten year old space MMO that is hard, requires work to generate content, and is notoriously ruthless BUT...

also happens to be one where the devs clearly violate the barrier between player and dev/designer/judge and in doing so defend it with ridiculous statements about "trust" that over a dozen of your players were able to debunk in less than 6 hours - and we aren't even being payed to do this.

So it insults our intelligence when you at CCP go silent on this. It's bad crisis management, it's bad customer service, and it does nothing to help you or the player base. I have been told that this may be how "things are done" in Iceland. That's fine, but your customers are not primarily Icelandic, and so you need to learn to do business in a way that suits THEM.

Others have posted your words from your blog after monoclegate, and I remember what you said to me at the charity dinner. And now, I say this as someone who genuinely cares about what happens to EVE and CCP: those words are hollow right now, they are just words. If you meant them - you will speak out and let people know what's going on.

Thank You!


On friday theyre going to announce how the whole company was empty because they were on a trip for a week and nobody had an internet connection to speak to people and how they cant figure things out during weekend and please be patient.


Funny enough I actually talked to one of their Public Relations guys at EVE Vegas on this very issue and he said that there were PLENTY of staff left behind, and this decision was actually also involving some that went on vacation. This was planned for a long time to do all the guardian vexor BS, but only recently did they back off after realizing how bad it was.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#499 - 2013-10-31 18:40:12 UTC
I had heard the EULA was changed to allow this practice. I have recently reviewed it and found that it is against the past and current EULA.

EULA wrote:
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited.


Perhaps they will change the EULA in light of the current scandal, however my first guess is that they will continue to allow Somer to violate the EULA as they are making a killing off of it.

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Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#500 - 2013-10-31 18:51:16 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
I had heard the EULA was changed to allow this practice. I have recently reviewed it and found that it is against the past and current EULA.

EULA wrote:
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited.


Perhaps they will change the EULA in light of the current scandal, however my first guess is that they will continue to allow Somer to violate the EULA as they are making a killing off of it.


But apparently before this week the GTC resellers agreement was ruled to supersede the EULA. Or at least that's what I was told by Shattered Crystal.

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