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Nikki VanSaar
#1 - 2013-10-31 13:30:03 UTC
Hello,

So, i start to have some valuables that i would like to sell in Jita.

How much do you think is safe to transport in a badger in high sec?
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-10-31 13:59:18 UTC
I think the modern rough estimate is five to ten thousand ISK per effective hit point on the hauler. Not sure how well the Badger can be tanked post-rebalance, but the idea is that you want a gank to be a losing proposition for the ganker even if everything is salvageable.

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Dreadchain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-31 14:05:43 UTC
In a badger nothing is safe, especially in Jita. I wouldn't carry more than ~200m, anything more and some tornado will pop it without hesitation. Hell, someone's gonna pop a 200m badger pretty quick as well.

Some methods to increase your chance of survival:

1. Check the gate for gankers (Thrashers, tornadoes, catalysts, etc) with an alt before going through
2. Use insta-undocks when leaving station
3. Jam as much tank on it as possible (Speed won't hurt either). It's possible to survive a tornado volley on a badger, which will make it so much less attractive to pop you.

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Nikki VanSaar
#4 - 2013-10-31 14:09:30 UTC
Thanks,

It will be less than 150M, so it should be good.
Ryder 'ook
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-10-31 14:36:18 UTC
Still risky.

My rule of thumb even for an Iteron V is less than 100 Million per haul.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-10-31 14:42:21 UTC
I wouldn't feel comfortable taking more than about 50-70 mil through Udema/Niarja and into Jita. Too many gankers on that route. That's Itty 5 or Bestower

If it's a once-off, consider using Red Frog or Push to move it there for you.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-10-31 14:48:41 UTC
if so what should we use to move very high value items around (deadspace/officer/faction items etc).

Either an heavily tanked industrial or a covert ops ship using the cloak to keep safe?
Ryder 'ook
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-31 14:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryder 'ook
Covert Ops or courier contract...

Edit: You can not tank an industrial heavily enough for that deadspace or officer ****.

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#9 - 2013-10-31 14:56:13 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
if so what should we use to move very high value items around (deadspace/officer/faction items etc).

Either an heavily tanked industrial or a covert ops ship using the cloak to keep safe?

Covert Ops, Blockade Runner. Better yet - courier contracts, that way you don't risk at all.
Steve Ronuken
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#10 - 2013-10-31 15:09:43 UTC
http://red-frog.org/jumps.php

http://www.pushx.net/

Or just a regular freight contract.

Just make sure to set an appropriate collateral level to:
a: Ensure that it's not worth stealing the contents
b: Reimburse you if the courier gets blown up.


As it's a relatively small quantity and value, going to Jita, you'll probably find you can get by with a public contract, with a lower fee (As people will be going that way anyway, and this just offsets their costs.)

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-10-31 15:12:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Paul Otichoda wrote:
if so what should we use to move very high value items around (deadspace/officer/faction items etc).

Either an heavily tanked industrial or a covert ops ship using the cloak to keep safe?


Covert ops, blockade runner (with cloak), Freighter (if under a billion and you have lots of patience), courier contract. Cloaky T3 works also.

I used to use a brick battlecruiser (max buffer tanked) to move up to about 400 million before I got covert ops.
Koki Ottic
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#12 - 2013-10-31 15:46:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Koki Ottic
The Badger can tank pretty well, with my no where near V skill's I can get 40,000 ehp and 60%+ resists across the board. You can only fit the one GSC.

I guess an alphanado would need 3-4 volleys to pop me, but at least in the killmail it looks like I was trying to save my stuff.

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#13 - 2013-10-31 15:50:44 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
if so what should we use to move very high value items around (deadspace/officer/faction items etc).

Either an heavily tanked industrial or a covert ops ship using the cloak to keep safe?


Covert ops, blockade runner (with cloak), Freighter (if under a billion and you have lots of patience), courier contract. Cloaky T3 works also.

I used to use a brick battlecruiser (max buffer tanked) to move up to about 400 million before I got covert ops.


Orca's also an option.

You can get a fairly decent tank on one.

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Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-10-31 16:00:16 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Orca's also an option.

You can get a fairly decent tank on one.


Fit and rig an Orca probably, and that wins Understatement of the Week. (Up to 268K EHP if you spring for T2 CDFE's: is there any hi-sec-capable ship in the entire game that can match that?) Even cargo-rigged, it can still sport a better tank than any of the freighters.

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Steve Ronuken
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#15 - 2013-10-31 16:07:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Marc Callan wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Orca's also an option.

You can get a fairly decent tank on one.


Fit and rig an Orca probably, and that wins Understatement of the Week. (Up to 268K EHP if you spring for T2 CDFE's: is there any hi-sec-capable ship in the entire game that can match that?) Even cargo-rigged, it can still sport a better tank than any of the freighters.


You can do better, yes Blink Though the cargo space is significantly smaller. 328k EHP, against a 25%/25%/25%/25% damage profile. Antimatter would have to beat 276k EHP


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Oraac Ensor
#16 - 2013-10-31 16:53:45 UTC
Ryder 'ook wrote:
Still risky.

My rule of thumb even for an Iteron V is less than 100 Million per haul.

Elena Thiesant wrote:
I wouldn't feel comfortable taking more than about 50-70 mil through Udema/Niarja and into Jita. Too many gankers on that route. That's Itty 5 or Bestower.

Bear in mind that the an Iteron V or Bestower is paper thin compared with a Badger.
Nerath Naaris
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#17 - 2013-10-31 16:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
I have an Itty V fitted with Cloak and MWD for the "trick". And Insta-undocks in Jita.

Serves pretty well (did not get tested so far, though, but that´s a good sign, I guess!? Also, it is what I would use should I ever get into Lo-Sec PI).


Edit: Just be so very careful at the Perimeter-Jita gate, which can become a deathtrap, especially at american prime time; if it is locked down use the Nyabainen gate.

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Sabriz Adoudel
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#18 - 2013-11-01 00:23:08 UTC
Train Contracting to 3, outsource all hauling to useful idiots. (Sorry, public courier contractors).

They do it ridiculously cheap for collaterals under a billion.

If you want to haul yourself, a Gnosis can fit a solid amount of cargo with a shield tank in the mids, cargo expanders in the lows and neuts in the highs (to cap out tacklers). It's also a ship noone really bothers to cargoscan.

For small, extreme value items, tech 3 cruisers are usually best.

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ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#19 - 2013-11-01 01:06:47 UTC
As an addition to the mostly good advice given in posts above:
If the items you want to transport are not too expensive per piece but you have a lot of them, consider flying the route multiple times.
For example, you have 200 million worth of goods to transport. If you fly the route 4 times, you have at most 50 million in your hold at any given time, reducing the chance of a gank. And if you do get blown up*), you only lose a portion of your valuables, instead of all of them.

*) Getting blown up is always a possibility in EvE, therefore never undock what you can't afford to lose. And that includes cargo.

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Tialano Utrigas
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#20 - 2013-11-01 09:56:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tialano Utrigas
If you want to do lo sec PI you should seriously considering the skills and the ISK to get a blockade runner (Crane).

They can warp cloaked so minimizes the risk considerably. Costs about 100m ISK and probably a months training time.
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