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The real cost of PLEX
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#61 - 2011-11-18 07:07:22 UTC
Boadicea Wales wrote:
suZy pLaIn wrote:
Boadicea Wales wrote:
Barbie D0ll wrote:
its more along the lines of having to grind for 5-10 hours for a plex


HOLY COW you can make 500 mill isk in 5-10 hours. Man how boring must the game be for you. Roll


Incursions are the Care Bear wet dream come true.

I can run incursions, gate camp with a 0.0 corp, and use my market trader all at the same time.

You can make a lot more isk in 5-10 hours then you'd think.


I would have to be unemployed to achive that dude. or overly commit my out of work time to EVE, a some thing I find very unattractive.


Many more people are unemployed and do have the time to grind that much ISK for PLEX.

But really, if you're working then $40 for a 3 month sub is probably the cheapest per-hour entertainment available.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#62 - 2011-11-18 07:17:03 UTC
Boadicea Wales wrote:
suZy pLaIn wrote:
Boadicea Wales wrote:
Barbie D0ll wrote:
its more along the lines of having to grind for 5-10 hours for a plex


HOLY COW you can make 500 mill isk in 5-10 hours. Man how boring must the game be for you. Roll


Incursions are the Care Bear wet dream come true.

I can run incursions, gate camp with a 0.0 corp, and use my market trader all at the same time.

You can make a lot more isk in 5-10 hours then you'd think.


I would have to be unemployed to achive that dude. or overly commit my out of work time to EVE, a some thing I find very unattractive.


Employed and can't afford to subscribe?

OK.
Royce Hellwakka
void.
#63 - 2011-11-18 07:25:23 UTC
Boadicea Wales wrote:
doyilooki wrote:
Boadicea Wales wrote:
LOL so now 5-10 hours a day has become an acceptable bench mark for making 500 million isk for all eve players FFS get real.

This plex thing could finish eve stop being dickheads and face up to it as being a possability and stop being dicks about it

Really you people live in your bubbles and no one or nothing will ever distract you from your own personal reality will it, man I truly pitty people like you.

Plex could have a very detromental effect on eve and should that be the case we are racing towards it at full steam ahead.



Just admit your a Cheap a$$ and you just love to complain. I bet you claim to be one of the 99%


No one could ever accuse you of reading the whole thread now can they. Lol


So wait you think ccp should cater to the people that arn't even paying them to play there game? There are obviously plenty of people buying plex at that price or the price would fall. Your complaints are invalid.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2011-11-18 07:28:43 UTC
Do people think that PLEX aren't used up or something?

These things are used up by players and older chars tend to exclaim loudly how people shouldn't buy GTC's, just run their accounts off PLEX.

*SOMEONE* has to buy the GTC's to bring PLEX on the market. The large quantity of players I see that say "you don't have to pay for your account, juts buy plex on the market" is huge and those that actually buy GTC's to sell plex seems to be rather small compared to the number that use them.

Without someone coughing up the $$$ for the plex, there won't be many out there and the prices on them will keep going up.


As players build up, they look at "second" then "third" accounts and those tend to be run by buying PLEX on the market - which means more demand. Couple this with the fact that as characters age, they make more ISK and you end up with less supply to "fund their play".

Yes there are a few market manipulators but with so many players being highly dependent upon PLEX to play, without "fresh blood" to buy the GTC's, the supply of plex will keep going down while the demand keeps steady or rises.

As such, don't expect PLEX prices to come down much, nor stay down very long, unless more players join up or this attitude of "plex to play" falls back.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2011-11-18 07:33:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
As Tippia somewhere wrote :

High price of PLEX motivate people to buy more GTCs and sell them for ISK.
Once it hit the barrier
there will be more people selling then willing to buy, the price will stabilize.

Or something like that..

Altho on a personal note : i somewhat liked when price were somewhere at 300mil
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2011-11-18 08:22:09 UTC
If you're just playing 5 days a month to fund a Plex and keep your skill queue going, but don't actually enjoy any of the game's activities, then you *should* quit.
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2011-11-18 08:26:32 UTC
Price restriction to an upper limit is not as good as you would imagine.
It would mean plexes will only cost 300 million BUT there will not be a single one on the market for you to buy because demand would be higher than offers. It would create a black market.
FlameGlow
Perkone
Caldari State
#68 - 2011-11-18 08:32:22 UTC
Pay subscription, be free of mandatory NPC grind every month
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2011-11-18 08:43:30 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
This happens every expansion cycle. Supply and demand baby!!!

NOWAY! This is CCP fail! Shocked
LolLolLol

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2011-11-18 08:48:29 UTC
Boadicea Wales wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:
JitaJane wrote:
Because $15 is such an onerous burden?


^^ Exactly my question.


I find paying any money to be this bored in a game untenable, I am talking about the casual player here these are usualy the old long term players who have been there and done it.

The guys who pay the $15 are usualy the young excitable types new to the game or dare i say it the EVE junkies who simple can not live with out their EVE fix.

I know my chars age says it is young but I have had many rebirths in eve and been playing since Sept 06, the appel for me is in the building of a char.

well. i suppose Video DVD, Cinema, Music, Beer, Smoking, Restaurants, Vacations in Resorts and all other "non-important" stuff isn't for you too then? Shocked

sorry for ya

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2011-11-18 08:56:05 UTC  |  Edited by: thoth rothschild
Maybe i'm pretty oldschool but i was tought to pay for somethin' i do like. If i not do like something i do not pay or spent my time on it :)

Having free to play and no gold ammo would be to much to ask for. There are people with families working for a product. Somehow they need to feed and live :p
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#72 - 2011-11-18 09:19:31 UTC
Let me tell you about how playing for free entitles me to tell the guy paying for my subscription how much ISK he should get for doing it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Luh Windan
green fish hat bang bang
#73 - 2011-11-18 09:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Luh Windan
I love how some people can't see further than themselves as a single data point and assume they have insight into the whole game.

The Plex economy is complex: if they are cheap enough people will spawn lots of ALTs , if they are high priced enough people who wouldn't ordinarily will buy them will do so to get some more ISK*, if people feel ISK richer they may use them instead of IRL money , if they feel richer IRL then they may consider paying with money preferable to 'grinding' and of course for some people who use plex to fund their gaming once it reaches a certain price they will stop buying.

The price in someways is simple to understand - more demand means higher prices, greater supply should see the prices dropping

What is hard to determine is why the demand is greater. some ideas I've seen posted:

- more isk around from incursions means more people buying PLEX
- investors hoarding them to drive the price up
- more people with less money IRL so preferring an isk spend over money from their wages
- people coming back to the game because of new CCP activity and wanting a look see

Likewise the supply may have fallen because people are poorer IRL - most western countries are in recession right now (or heading there very quickly)

(if CCP *are* influencing the price they will have to be very careful because of a backlash and or possible illegality. If, in the extremely unlikely event they thought it was a good idea, they could of course have people buying PLEX with freshly minted virtual ISK - a sort of quantitive easing which would increase PLEX demand and increase the money supply. I cannot imagine for one second a company like CCP would ever do this - it would be to great a risk to their ongoing existance )

The thing to remember is that this is a self adjusting system. PLEX prices are high because people are paying those prices right this second. If no one paid them the price will drop. It might be painful to find yourself priced out of the market but hey, welcome to capitalism



* talking of single data points: me. I had never considered buying ISK before but the idea of pretty cheaply popping a cheeky billion into my wallet was too good to pass up
Hannibal Ord
Fer-De-Lance
#74 - 2011-11-18 09:33:16 UTC
I have never seen such a ******** OP before in this game.
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#75 - 2011-11-18 09:33:35 UTC
So OP is a 2006 character who runs level 4 missions. After 5 years he's still poor and has to grind for isk, so we can conclude that at no point did he move beyond starter professions to anything that would make real money.

Got news for you -- eve isn't like the real world. In eve, being poor really is your own fault, because it means you're both unwilling to work and unwilling to think.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#76 - 2011-11-18 09:43:08 UTC
That is how the real world works too.

Ferox #1
Quit Whining
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2011-11-18 09:46:13 UTC
I sense that my presence is required in this thread.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#78 - 2011-11-18 09:47:17 UTC
Quit Whining wrote:
I sense that my presence is required in this thread.


:O What do you do mister?

Ferox #1
Quit Whining
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2011-11-18 10:19:14 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Quit Whining wrote:
I sense that my presence is required in this thread.


:O What do you do mister?


I am a symbol, of the fight against ignorant, emo, band-wagon whiners.

This has mostly been covered by the brah's in this thread but OP didn't seem to get it right away...

To the OP:
- PLEX prices aren't controlled by CCP, it's market mechanics brah'?
- How exactly would CCP control PLEX prices if they did decide to ruin the sandbox brah'?
- If you don't want to pay 500+ mil for a PLEX then get your wallet out, can't afford the RL ISK? Get another hobby. People managed just fine before PLEX was introduced, get over it brah'
- Plenty of F2P games for you to enjoy out there, you won't be missed brah'

Finally, yet another re-iteration that PLEX isn't free, someone had to pay RL $$$ for it to exist, CCP get money either way etc etc.

Quit Whining.
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2011-11-18 10:37:16 UTC
Boadicea Wales wrote:
the cost of a plex in ISK has gone up 41 million isk in the last 6 days and is now topping a masive 500 mill isk on the markets.

I personal think this is now out of reach for many of the casual players currently playing eve and will ultimatly drive them away, I speak as one my self.

Playing for free was for me the last realistic draw for playing EVE.

What has the real cost of PLEX been for the game as a whole. Is it a good thing turned bad by sheer greed as with so many other things in the game.

I personal think that in 90 days time the eve population will fall drasticly. Sadly I don't think I will be around to see if I am right or not. Paying real money to be this bored is not really that apeeling to me.

Shocked
No you can not have my stuff
Shocked


Set up a buy order for what you are willing to pay and wait. Problem solved.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!