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EVE: The Free to Play REVOLUTION!

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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#101 - 2013-10-30 22:54:36 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
Amhra Rho wrote:
Star Citizen is not even in the same game class as Eve Online. The only similarity between them is spaceships.

But they don't even look like spaceships, more like jet fighters. Jet fighters with toilets. I pledged for this game long ago, but the more stuff they show off the less appealing I find sc as a whole.


Did you never play Wing Commander? I mean, if you didn't like that then you won't like SC.

Wing Commander Privateer is basically the reason I play EVE. I did not care much about the other Wing Commander titles.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#102 - 2013-10-30 23:04:14 UTC
You're a terrible person.
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
#103 - 2013-10-30 23:27:25 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Amhra Rho wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
Amhra Rho wrote:
Star Citizen is not even in the same game class as Eve Online. The only similarity between them is spaceships.

But they don't even look like spaceships, more like jet fighters. Jet fighters with toilets. I pledged for this game long ago, but the more stuff they show off the less appealing I find sc as a whole.


Did you never play Wing Commander? I mean, if you didn't like that then you won't like SC.

Never did, although I heard good things about it. Wing Commander never was in the "running", however - quite simply, I only do MMOs.


You must be young. Wing Commander was before MMO's in the early 1990's. I had a copy on the SNES.

Make no mistake. I may be young, but that doesn't mean I'm not treacherousSmile

The "theme" doesn't matter - it's the game type. There's space MMOs, fantasy MMOs, urban ghetto MMOs, science fiction MMOs, and even Korean mythology MMOs. It's not the spaceships - or "space jets" - it's the game type that counts.

There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance.
Sir Spottington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-10-30 23:31:48 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:
STUFF


no

please leave
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-10-31 00:43:12 UTC
I was seriously excited about Star Citizen until they called a corvette size vessel a capital ship. What kind of wimpy space empire can't build anything bigger than that? Dogfights don't interest me one bit, I want grand strategy.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#106 - 2013-10-31 00:50:06 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
I was seriously excited about Star Citizen until they called a corvette size vessel a capital ship. What kind of wimpy space empire can't build anything bigger than that? Dogfights don't interest me one bit, I want grand strategy.



I lvoed Wing Commander (even read the crappy novels lol), but I'm like you, I'm not interested in dogfighting anymore either. I'll play SC because it's about space and such, but if I fall in love with it it will be becuase of other aspects.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#107 - 2013-10-31 01:51:28 UTC
EVE has been around for what 10 years now. and still going strong, while half these scrubs who make pointless threads where still playing Pokemon,

If eve was free to play, it be like playing, minecraft with worst graphics,

*and ina sense eve is already free to play, if your one of those players who can generate enough isk for a plex each month,*
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#108 - 2013-10-31 02:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Baaldor
Jim McMorris wrote:
Star Citizen is better,,,no really...Guys?/


Posting in another stealth "Star Citizen is better because I paid money for something that does not exist, that will fail and need more dumbasses to share in the misery"
Sheldor Amouh
#109 - 2013-10-31 02:29:23 UTC
If you look at other "free to play" models two things happen. First it actually becomes much more expensive to play. You get x gate jumps in y amount of time, more are $.10 each. You can post z number of orders, then they are $.50 each. Training time is quadroupled but you can buy speed ups. Same with build times. You can run b number of missions a day then they are$1 a piece, more for higher lvl missions. Second, for the reasons above, it becomes pay to win.

Sub prices are not what keep subs low for this game. Seeing one movie by youself cost more than a one month sub. A fifth of cheap liquor costs more than a one month sub. Depending on were you live three gallons of gad costs etc, etc, etc. People waste exponentially more money on useless junk. But its because they want to.

What makes Eve the game it is is also what keeps many people away. Believe it or not most people dont enjoy having to be suspicious of every person they meet because its a scam or an outright threat to their possesions or existance. Thats what real life is for. Most people play games to escape reality, not re-experience it.

If you want millions of subs, make Eve an instant satisfaction, low effort, no risk World of Poke Kitty game. If you want Eve to be the game it is, live with it being niche.

And the primary reason Star Citizen wont dent eve are its the millions of subs version of Eve in single player format.

IMHO.

Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#110 - 2013-10-31 02:30:35 UTC
Another EvE is dying thread? Who would have thought?

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
To Be Me
Doomheim
#111 - 2013-10-31 02:45:40 UTC
ur things belong to me

thumbs up if you like :))))
AnUnskilled Pilot
Doomheim
#112 - 2013-10-31 02:47:53 UTC
What I do know is that the majority of my friends have spent 100s of dollars on dota2 for enhancements that do not effect gameplay, so it's possible for a mainstream game to succeed with this model
Matokin Lemant
#113 - 2013-10-31 03:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Matokin Lemant
Jim McMorris wrote:
Alright guys I've got this one.

At the moment, EVE cannot survive in the long-run, which is what CCP want the game to be a - a game lasting decades, not years. With biggies like Star Citizen coming round with one-time fees and no-subs, there's gonna be some serious questions asked by the players. Questions like this:

"Why am I still paying for this bad bad game when star citizen is a lot cheaper?"

This question will mean people will unsubscribe. We've also noticed a big trend in the MMO world going away from subs, that trend isn't fully done yet. But when it is, who knows what'll happen to the CCP.

The big business model transFORMATION

Okay guys, so here's how I think CCP should do it.

1) EVE becomes free. Anybody can make account, download and start getting scammed by goons.

2) CCP sells character slots, ship paints, golden pods and more clothes and stuff. Basically, CCP sells as much as it can that doesn't have an impact on gameplay.

3) Population of EVE rises. There are huge huge wars because there are so many people fighting and having fun.

4) EVE is a lot better, more dynamic. Look at all of the politics with 400k people fighting for a finite amount of space. Imagine 5 million people fighting for the same amount of space? It would be crazy. Absolutely crazy.

This would probably INCREASE CCPs profits as well. I'd recommend that they do this IPO on the stockmarket they were talking about, as that will get the big businesses interested and posting articles about this awesome sci-fi sim. All of the hardcore eve fans, like the mitani, will probably buy shares - so they'll have even more money to improve the game.

As they improve the game more people play and buy cosmetic items and CCP get richer.

Thoughts please.


Thread update:

Thanks for feedback guys, I think there are a few more points worth adding here.

1) CCP should also consider the option of buy to play. Perhaps a £39.99 to get access to the game client, but fees after that - this would ensure there is a paywall to supplement CCP profits and keep out the hacking community. With the increased profits, CCP would have greater confidence in following a strictly cosmetic cash4items scheme.

Buy to play has been an extremely successful model and I think it is particularly relevant to EVE ONLINE. Why? The model in GW2 has triggered slow but steady growth, this is the type of growth CCP has always been experiencing with EVE. http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/23/lead-designer-says-guild-wars-2-is-growing-its-playerbase/

2) Secondly, a steam launch as free to play would be a great bolster to current numbers. 0.9 of the world's population has a steam account. http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/10/30/0-9-of-the-global-population-have-steam-accounts/


I think your on to something with this.

You know I would not mind eve being free to play or a one time payment as long as CCP dont follow some games by adding superior ships, mods and ammo (basically anything would effect game pay ) that you could buy. And I think that is mostly what the community is most afraid of eve turning in to a "pay to win" type of game.

If CCP stays away from the "pay to win" model and sells merely vanity related items this could work.

I would like to throw out an other idea (multi boxers my hate me but) have your first account/character free and have to pay a one time fee of £25.99 for every additional character they create (existing ones excluded) this combined with the "Pay for vanity" model would net even more income for CCP
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2013-10-31 03:30:01 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:
No XP boosters or skill packs or whatever. When I say free to play or buy to play, I mean a shop with COMPLETELY cosmetic items. I'm talking about getting rid of the sub and just expanding the current aura shop. It's being done by hundreds of companies across the globe and has a proven track record.


You never answered my question. If EVE players were so eager to buy cosmetic items, then why was the Aurum store a complete failure?

Furthermore, "Other companies have done it" is not a valid argument, especially if they do not make games that are like EVE. The only F2P games that I can think of that are halfway acceptable were designed to be F2P.


We have no data on CCP's aura store earnings, so it's hard to say. But I bet if they added stuff like character slots and ship paints, things people actually want, then it would do MUCH better.


No data perhaps but usually if a company notices something producing earnings they will make said earner bigger and more diverse. By making it bigger it makes it more appealing for people to spend more.

The store pretty much died on the vine as most people play eve for spaceships and not avatar dress up.
Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2013-10-31 08:08:02 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:
EVE cannot survive in the long-run


I want to punch you so bad...

Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase

Felicity Love >... was thinking "moar popcorn"... but now, seeing the truly awesome contribution this thread is going to make to the Greater Glory Of EVE.... imagonnamakkadapizza....
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#116 - 2013-10-31 08:08:34 UTC
Yummy Chocolate wrote:
Jim McMorris wrote:
EVE cannot survive in the long-run


I want to punch you so bad...

EvE is ded #yolo

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Marexlovox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2013-10-31 08:09:53 UTC
I have seen good games die because of the free-to-play / pay-to-win model. Monthy sub is fine where its at. No, that it all.Pirate
Prince Kobol
#118 - 2013-10-31 08:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
The only thing can kill Eve is CCP.

Eve is a very niche game and as such it will most likely never have a direct competitor.

As much as I am looking forward to SC and will be playing it, I will still play Eve (if I am still here) as they are 2 different games.

The problem with EVE is not any other game but the direction, or lack of it from CCP.

Yeah you can say they have a 5 year plan blah blah blah, I'm sorry but I have long stop believing anything CCP say. You can say I have zero faith in CCP these days.

Personally for me, Eve has stagnated.

I don't know if it was Incarna which has killed any ambition CCP had or if its because they are spreading themselves to thin with everything they are trying to do.

Either way, again its just for me, I only really find myself logging in when pings go out.
Radamant Nemess
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
#119 - 2013-10-31 08:45:45 UTC
No.
I don`t want the hordes of third world zombies swarming my favourite game. Now go away and take f2p with you.

i can fail at any speed you like
Kialopreyst
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2013-10-31 08:47:41 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:
All current subscribers receive free copy of game.


You know that the software is already free right?