EVE General Discussion

Lies.

So, by not jumping on this particular hysteria consumed band wagon I'm a sheep.

Do I really need to point out that $135.000 is a pitifully small amount of money for any business (outside of perhaps a child's lemonade stand) to make? However, as I pointed out, since that aspect DOES actually affect SOMER's actual out of game competitors in a real way, it has been addressed. Competing with other players in game for imaginary money really isn't much of an issue (considering the excess of imaginary money in game) and certainly isn't going to "put someone out of business". Especially when that imaginary business, funded with and over abundance of imaginary money, is running a raffle. Did BIG shut their doors? Heh, no, I really don't think so.

Oh, and yes, if one of my children has (in my opinion) gone above and beyond the call in being helpful to others in the process of doing their normal chores I have no issue at all rewarding that behavior... knowing full well it will encourage the others to follow that example. SOMER has contributed heavily to the community in a number of ways, more so than the rest of the pack (not discrediting anyone by saying that) and I have no problem with them getting assistance that also happened to benefit a huge player organized event.

"We reserve the right to scream and scream until we, the vocal forum few, get what we want, or are sick, whichever comes first".

I'm not arguing that you shouldn't be vocal, or that your views shouldn't be known. It's just that you are being, and that they're stupid.

My best customers get preferential treatment, whether it is through pricing or tickets to sporting events (or other things that I put on my expense account). You have two choices: buy more from me or suck it. Welcome to the real world.

I have nothing useful to add to this thread, but I will say that is now the 4th and 5th reasons I've heard for why he eventually suspect-suicided his carrier. Reasons I've heard from blogs, en24, and tmc:

1) Something about drones... he had too many of them or something
2) Undocked before a wardec started, but after the declaration
3) Station games with carrier during an active wardec
4) Simply asking GMs if he could shoot hisec NPC POCOs
5) Repping miners to prevent ganks.

All we can say for sure is clearly this guy had no business having a carrier in hisec.

People should be able to voice their concerns, and explain why they feel that way.

They should also be prepared for people to disagree with their position, and explain to them why.

Where I sometimes have issues with this back and forth process is that the EVE community has a bad habit of going way, way beyond a reasonable level of customer expectation... and try to dictate business practices that they frankly don't understand.

As a general rule, when CCP does something that has ramifications they didn't anticipate... and it is pointed out in a reasoned and well supported way... they usually think about it a bit and try to come up with a common sense solution that achieves their original goal and also rectifies the problem. Their goal is obviously to still achieve whatever they were originally trying to do, yet (with a minimum of changes) fixes the issue that arose.

They have met with varying degree's of success, this is true. However that in no way justifies the "it's our way or the highway" stance that many of the more vocal community members tend to take... usually when offering their opinion on matters they haven't fully thought through.

I'm sure some people get confused in matters like this when the get a like from me, even though I am ripping someone else to shreds that appears to be on the same side of the argument as they are. The answer is simple though.

If you give a well reasoned argument, and present it in a civilized manner, I respect that... even if I don't agree with it entirely. Usually in such an argument there is at least something of worth for us all to consider. Those people get my support, to one degree or another.

However folks that go off the deep end.... issuing ultimatums, manufacturing facts to suit their arguments, expecting radical changes in business strategy that no company in their right minds would seriously consider, or presenting their view of how things should work from the same level of wisdom as your typical 12 year old, or simply trolling to inflame those that are easily manipulated... those people I have an issue with.

That being said, this thread actually had a minimum of the above behavior, somewhat restoring my faith in the general EVE community.

Or... CCP could focus on important things rather than having to deal with teary eyed bittervets that took their carrier out to an ice belt to act like a tough guy to gankers, then got it taken from him.

Oh and as for magical word replacement:
I, on a daily basis, drive to work.
Now let's replace "I" with "You" and "drive to work" with "murder old ladies".
...
You monster.
(the point being you could do this with anything, but you can't compare CCP not allowing internal communications to be released with government agencies spying)

Hi Folks,

If you want to debate GM policy, then you need to do it by petitioning the GM team.
They will not discuss this on the forums, and as it's such an emotive subject, this thread has quickly descended into 'the bad place'™.

I will say, however, to the best of my knowledge - The rules don't allow discussing these things publicly here, because most of these cases where interpretation is involved, are judged on their own merits.

If you want to ask the GM about the rule, then raise a petition; that's all there is to do I'm afraid.

Thread locked.