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EVE: The Free to Play REVOLUTION!

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#61 - 2013-10-30 19:42:25 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:
This question will mean people will unsubscribe. We've also noticed a big trend in the MMO world going away from subs, that trend isn't fully done yet.


That's because those MMO's want to be WoW-killers and then discover they can't hack it. No one's moving away from subs voluntarily.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-10-30 19:48:20 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
"if you aren't having fun in a sandbox, it's not the sands fault".


The sandbox could be full of cat poop.

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Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-10-30 19:48:33 UTC
The OP is obviously and EA alt.

I really hate feeding trolls but:

1. http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/29/command-conquer-and-the-curse-of-the-free-to-play-rts

2. http://www.dorkadia.com/2012/11/29/the-failings-of-the-swtor-free-to-play-conversion/

Also, If you're going to post troll threads and terrible ideas, POST WITH YOUR MAIN! don't hide behind an alt. I need to rebuild my watch list the next time I log on Twisted

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Jim McMorris
McMorris Co.
#64 - 2013-10-30 19:50:07 UTC
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
The OP is obviously and EA alt.

I really hate feeding trolls but:

1. http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/29/command-conquer-and-the-curse-of-the-free-to-play-rts

2. http://www.dorkadia.com/2012/11/29/the-failings-of-the-swtor-free-to-play-conversion/

Also, If you're going to post troll threads and terrible ideas, POST WITH YOUR MAIN! don't hide behind an alt. I need to rebuild my watch list the next time I log on Twisted


This is actually my main and please get involved in the debate - I don't really like personal insults.

I genuinely think the game'll be more dynamic with a new business model.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#65 - 2013-10-30 19:52:44 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
"if you aren't having fun in a sandbox, it's not the sands fault".


The sandbox could be full of cat poop.


Yea but if you're the cat, why complain, just stop pooping lol.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#66 - 2013-10-30 19:54:43 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
The OP is obviously and EA alt.

I really hate feeding trolls but:

1. http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/29/command-conquer-and-the-curse-of-the-free-to-play-rts

2. http://www.dorkadia.com/2012/11/29/the-failings-of-the-swtor-free-to-play-conversion/

Also, If you're going to post troll threads and terrible ideas, POST WITH YOUR MAIN! don't hide behind an alt. I need to rebuild my watch list the next time I log on Twisted


This is actually my main and please get involved in the debate - I don't really like personal insults.

I genuinely think the game'll be more dynamic with a new business model.


I would even go as far as to say that we need additional to the f2p model the diablo 3 auction house.

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Jim McMorris
McMorris Co.
#67 - 2013-10-30 19:55:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
"if you aren't having fun in a sandbox, it's not the sands fault".


The sandbox could be full of cat poop.


Yea but if you're the cat, why complain, just stop pooping lol.


It's not fair if only the cat gets to have fun.

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Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-10-30 19:56:34 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:


This is actually my main and please get involved in the debate - I don't really like personal insults.

I genuinely think the game'll be more dynamic with a new business model.


Fantastic! Also, simply no. There were other threads made on this topc:

1. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3294036#post3294036

2. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3680780#post3680780

3. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3245451#post3245451

4. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3148050#post3148050

As you can tell, There is resounding opposition to even the idea of introducing a free to play model.

My final contribution to this subject has been voiced by others and I will reiterate the same here: DEATH 2 MICROTRANSACTIONSEvil

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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2013-10-30 19:56:51 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:
Jessica Danikov wrote:
Jim McMorris wrote:
At the moment, EVE cannot survive in the long-run


Right, so... EVE celebrates it's 10 year anniversary with subscriber numbers enjoying a steady but gentle increase (February this year: http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/28/eve-online-hits-500-000-subscribers-heads-into-second-decade/) and you think EVE is doomed?

Don't fix what isn't broken. Greed is as good as far as you don't kill your golden goose...


I never said I think EVE is done. I reckon the population will do fine in the coming months/years, but it's stale. Let's be honest, we need big change to spice things up - reenergise the game if you know what I mean.

You can rebalance null sec, which will only cause short-term wars and power shifts, or you can introduce new forces into the game. Completely change the playing field with thousands of new player. It might be costly, but if CCP do it right - the rewards will be big.


You have said it yourself a few times in this thread. It is the players that make the content of the game not CCP.

If the game is stale it is not up to CCP to fix it. That would be the players job.
Montami
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#70 - 2013-10-30 19:58:20 UTC
0/10.
Lots of effort, very little result except people who exclaim in horror.

Could have used a different theme and made it less obvious than P2W.
Jim McMorris
McMorris Co.
#71 - 2013-10-30 20:01:04 UTC
Montami wrote:
0/10.
Lots of effort, very little result except people who exclaim in horror.

Could have used a different theme and made it less obvious than P2W.


I'm starting to think it's you who's trolling.

This is a genuine debate and I'm not proposing PW2. I'm proposing a system like Guild War 2's, where only cosmetic items are offered. Is this practical? I think so, but that's the point of this thread, to discuss and debate.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-10-30 20:01:09 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
"if you aren't having fun in a sandbox, it's not the sands fault".


The sandbox could be full of cat poop.


Yea but if you're the cat, why complain, just stop pooping lol.


I'm pretty sure this is someone else's poop.

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#73 - 2013-10-30 20:01:32 UTC
Dude... I haven't paid real money to play this game in like... years. Even before PLEX, when GTCs were the preferred form of payment with ISK.
Prince Kobol
#74 - 2013-10-30 20:08:09 UTC
Andski wrote:
Free to play is a move made by developers of failing pay to play titles to avoid losing what they invested in development. Free to play doesn't really work unless you actually gain a substantial advantage from paying.


Yes, I am sure Riot agree with your assessment that is if they can hear you over their estimated $200 million earnings in 2013.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#75 - 2013-10-30 20:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Winter Archipelago
Jim McMorris wrote:
There is a practical limit to how much you can manage as well. You can't be updating thousands of skill queues each day.

My skill queue generally lasts me about 30+ days at a time, and that's for just a single skill. I get excited when I have to change a skill in fewer than two weeks.

It may be a decent amount of clicking in the very beginning, but as you get towards the higher end of the skills you need, you're looking at multi-week training for a single skill.

Prince Kobol wrote:

Yes, I am sure Riot agree with your assessment that is if they can hear you over their estimated $200 million earnings in 2013.


The LoL community are some of the most horrific wretches of humanity that exist. I quit playing LoL because of said community, despite enjoying the game. That is one of the things I'd rather see NOT happen to EvE.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#76 - 2013-10-30 20:18:49 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:
How do you stop people just making new accounts to bypass character limits? They could do some techno IP/hardware bans or whatever, but that might not be practical.


You can't. People will circumvent it, no matter what.

Quote:
There is a practical limit to how much you can manage as well. You can't be updating thousands of skill queues each day.


Thousands? No. Dozens? Most assuredly. Farmers gonna farm, grinders gonna grind. And make no mistake, a true F2P model requires that you up the grind substantially.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#77 - 2013-10-30 20:24:45 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Andski wrote:
Free to play is a move made by developers of failing pay to play titles to avoid losing what they invested in development. Free to play doesn't really work unless you actually gain a substantial advantage from paying.


Yes, I am sure Riot agree with your assessment that is if they can hear you over their estimated $200 million earnings in 2013.


I think CCPs $66 million in 2012 are far better considering how EvE has only a tiny fraction of the LoL player base.

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Prince Kobol
#78 - 2013-10-30 20:25:17 UTC
Winter Archipelago wrote:
Jim McMorris wrote:
There is a practical limit to how much you can manage as well. You can't be updating thousands of skill queues each day.

My skill queue generally lasts me about 30+ days at a time, and that's for just a single skill. I get excited when I have to change a skill in fewer than two weeks.

It may be a decent amount of clicking in the very beginning, but as you get towards the higher end of the skills you need, you're looking at multi-week training for a single skill.

Prince Kobol wrote:

Yes, I am sure Riot agree with your assessment that is if they can hear you over their estimated $200 million earnings in 2013.


The LoL community are some of the most horrific wretches of humanity that exist. I quit playing LoL because of said community, despite enjoying the game. That is one of the things I'd rather see NOT happen to EvE.


No arguments from me although I still do play LoL.

Games which are designed from Day 1 to be F2P do well.

Games which start of as subscription based and then convert to F2P is usually a sign that they are not doing to well.
Prince Kobol
#79 - 2013-10-30 20:26:49 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Andski wrote:
Free to play is a move made by developers of failing pay to play titles to avoid losing what they invested in development. Free to play doesn't really work unless you actually gain a substantial advantage from paying.


Yes, I am sure Riot agree with your assessment that is if they can hear you over their estimated $200 million earnings in 2013.


I think CCPs $66 million in 2012 are far better considering how EvE has only a tiny fraction of the LoL player base.


Very true.. again no arguments from me.

If CCP ever announced they were going to a F2P model I would sell all my toons + assets on ebay and leave Big smile
Maurice deSaxe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-10-30 20:31:15 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:


scammed by goons.

/

Show me on the usb rifter where the goons touched you.