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EVE: The Free to Play REVOLUTION!

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Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#41 - 2013-10-30 19:13:19 UTC
Yo Prencleeve, all because you maxed out grandmas CC buying SA accounts trying to get into goons doesnt mean the rest of us are broke. You already get free expansions.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2013-10-30 19:13:28 UTC
Get out deadbeat. In this game grown-ups want to spend their money on space ships mmmmkay?

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Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#43 - 2013-10-30 19:14:01 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:
At the moment, EVE cannot survive in the long-run


Right, so... EVE celebrates it's 10 year anniversary with subscriber numbers enjoying a steady but gentle increase (February this year: http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/28/eve-online-hits-500-000-subscribers-heads-into-second-decade/) and you think EVE is doomed?

Don't fix what isn't broken. Greed is as good as far as you don't kill your golden goose...
Jim McMorris
McMorris Co.
#44 - 2013-10-30 19:16:11 UTC
Jessica Danikov wrote:
Jim McMorris wrote:
At the moment, EVE cannot survive in the long-run


Right, so... EVE celebrates it's 10 year anniversary with subscriber numbers enjoying a steady but gentle increase (February this year: http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/28/eve-online-hits-500-000-subscribers-heads-into-second-decade/) and you think EVE is doomed?

Don't fix what isn't broken. Greed is as good as far as you don't kill your golden goose...


I never said I think EVE is done. I reckon the population will do fine in the coming months/years, but it's stale. Let's be honest, we need big change to spice things up - reenergise the game if you know what I mean.

You can rebalance null sec, which will only cause short-term wars and power shifts, or you can introduce new forces into the game. Completely change the playing field with thousands of new player. It might be costly, but if CCP do it right - the rewards will be big.

[b]Chief Executive Officer McMorris Co. EVE's Only Legitimate ISK Doubling Corporation[/b]
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#45 - 2013-10-30 19:20:31 UTC
Winter Archipelago wrote:
F2P EvE == Dead EvE.

StarCitizen isn't even out yet. Hell, the alpha isn't even out yet. You can hype anything. I could hype the **** I'm going to take after work as the most explosive thing to happen yet this millennium, but that doesn't make it any more than a load of ****.



Oh boy, remember Spore! Spore was awesome! Spore was the biggest bad-ass thing Will Wright had ever done! Spore has a space game! Spore was oing to be the ULTIMATE GAME EVER!

Oh, wait.......
Za'afiel
Imperceptible Bedevilment
#46 - 2013-10-30 19:21:58 UTC
Star Citizen is dying.

Shoot them all! Be polite.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#47 - 2013-10-30 19:22:13 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:

No XP boosters or skill packs or whatever. When I say free to play or buy to play, I mean a shop with COMPLETELY cosmetic items. I'm talking about getting rid of the sub and just expanding the current aura shop. It's being done by hundreds of companies across the globe and has a proven track record.


So? I could skill offline an unlimited number of characters for free? Seriously does it sound like a good idea?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#48 - 2013-10-30 19:22:34 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:
Jessica Danikov wrote:
Jim McMorris wrote:
At the moment, EVE cannot survive in the long-run


Right, so... EVE celebrates it's 10 year anniversary with subscriber numbers enjoying a steady but gentle increase (February this year: http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/28/eve-online-hits-500-000-subscribers-heads-into-second-decade/) and you think EVE is doomed?

Don't fix what isn't broken. Greed is as good as far as you don't kill your golden goose...


I never said I think EVE is done. I reckon the population will do fine in the coming months/years, but it's stale. Let's be honest, we need big change to spice things up - reenergise the game if you know what I mean.

You can rebalance null sec, which will only cause short-term wars and power shifts, or you can introduce new forces into the game. Completely change the playing field with thousands of new player. It might be costly, but if CCP do it right - the rewards will be big.

that goose is all but roasted

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Jim McMorris
McMorris Co.
#49 - 2013-10-30 19:24:56 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
Jim McMorris wrote:

No XP boosters or skill packs or whatever. When I say free to play or buy to play, I mean a shop with COMPLETELY cosmetic items. I'm talking about getting rid of the sub and just expanding the current aura shop. It's being done by hundreds of companies across the globe and has a proven track record.


So? I could skill offline an unlimited number of characters for free? Seriously does it sound like a good idea?



This is one problem with the plan I think. How do you stop people just making new accounts to bypass character limits? They could do some techno IP/hardware bans or whatever, but that might not be practical.

There is a practical limit to how much you can manage as well. You can't be updating thousands of skill queues each day.

[b]Chief Executive Officer McMorris Co. EVE's Only Legitimate ISK Doubling Corporation[/b]
Pennywise le'Fluffer
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-10-30 19:25:35 UTC
It seems obvious to me why EVE hasn't gone F2P. They make all their money on Skill Trainer Online via PLEX and sub money. I would bet Aurum doesn't even account for 10% of total sales. If the game is F2P every idiots has 10,000 alts and they lose all that money.

The only way they'd make more would be if they made it even more Pay 2 Win and just sold skilled characters created out of thin air and dramatic training boots far beyond the current implant system but a LOT of people would quit and EVE would be just another mediocre F2P title.

I've spent money on World of Tanks and War Thunder and was a (regretful Legendary Founder) Mechwarrior Online, but nowhere near as much as on EVE and I'm a newbie who started playing during the last alliance tournament. I've also played several games that were B2P or subscription based that switched to F2P models and I no longer play ANY of them because it ruined the games AND the community (LOTRO, Rift, and Global Agenda, to name a few off the top of my head).

IMO, F2P would only work for EVE if the game had been built around that from the beginning but a lot of fundamental mechanics would have be completely redone and that would make it into something else; not EVE.
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#51 - 2013-10-30 19:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Himnos Altar
Jim McMorris wrote:
Damon Blood wrote:
I am not going to bash you for your ideas, but I do want to share with you what my specific situation would be if EVE went F2P.


1. EVE goes F2P and only does cash transactions for cosmetics.
a. CCP loses 3 account subscriptions and I continue to play as I do today just $45 bucks a month richer.

2. EVE goes F2P and Performance is improved by those who have the cast to spend special ships/Implants/Items that CCP now places ingame to make isk.
a. CCP loses 3 account subscriptions and I quit EVE.

Either Way CCP loses. I think there are many people what would end up in the exact same boat I am.

DB


Number one is the ideal scenario though. Even though they lose your $45, they actually make $50 from the three other players who decided to start playing and found they really liked the game so they bought some dual-plexes or cool new ship decals.

These three players also create content for the game, they make an alliance and defeat the mittani. You see this game is about the players, and the more we have - the more content we have.



*facepalm*

REALLY?

You suck at math, dude.


Okay, let's look at it this way. He's paying $45 a month. He quits.

3 more people buy EVE for $150 total.

4 months in, these people have brought CCP $150 in revenue.


Or, we keep this business model, and he keeps paying $45 per month.

4 months in, He's brought CCP $180 in revenue.

Gee, I wonder which one CCP would prefer.

If it were me in the Buy once, play foreer EVE model, I doubt I'd buy the dual training (like I very likely never will today) or ship skins. Because I am a money grubbing son of a *****
Jim McMorris
McMorris Co.
#52 - 2013-10-30 19:28:17 UTC
Himnos Altar wrote:
Jim McMorris wrote:
Damon Blood wrote:
I am not going to bash you for your ideas, but I do want to share with you what my specific situation would be if EVE went F2P.


1. EVE goes F2P and only does cash transactions for cosmetics.
a. CCP loses 3 account subscriptions and I continue to play as I do today just $45 bucks a month richer.

2. EVE goes F2P and Performance is improved by those who have the cast to spend special ships/Implants/Items that CCP now places ingame to make isk.
a. CCP loses 3 account subscriptions and I quit EVE.

Either Way CCP loses. I think there are many people what would end up in the exact same boat I am.

DB


Number one is the ideal scenario though. Even though they lose your $45, they actually make $50 from the three other players who decided to start playing and found they really liked the game so they bought some dual-plexes or cool new ship decals.

These three players also create content for the game, they make an alliance and defeat the mittani. You see this game is about the players, and the more we have - the more content we have.



*facepalm*

REALLY?

You suck at math, dude.


Okay, let's look at it this way. He's paying $45 a month. He quits.

3 more people buy EVE for $150 total.

4 months in, these people have brought CCP $150 in revenue.


Or, we keep this business model, and he keeps paying $45 per month.

4 months in, He's brought CCP $180 in revenue.

Gee, I wonder which one CCP would prefer.


Yes but by those four months, even more people start playing and even more maybe even use the cosmetic cash shop.

[b]Chief Executive Officer McMorris Co. EVE's Only Legitimate ISK Doubling Corporation[/b]
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#53 - 2013-10-30 19:28:35 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:

This is one problem with the plan I think. How do you stop people just making new accounts to bypass character limits? They could do some techno IP/hardware bans or whatever, but that might not be practical.

There is a practical limit to how much you can manage as well. You can't be updating thousands of skill queues each day.



Oh, please...
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#54 - 2013-10-30 19:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
We don't need f2p right now in eve. Look at dust, it is free to play and what? Roll

Free to play is not some kind of magic wand that will make your game better.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#55 - 2013-10-30 19:31:43 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:
Himnos Altar wrote:
Jim McMorris wrote:
Damon Blood wrote:
I am not going to bash you for your ideas, but I do want to share with you what my specific situation would be if EVE went F2P.


1. EVE goes F2P and only does cash transactions for cosmetics.
a. CCP loses 3 account subscriptions and I continue to play as I do today just $45 bucks a month richer.

2. EVE goes F2P and Performance is improved by those who have the cast to spend special ships/Implants/Items that CCP now places ingame to make isk.
a. CCP loses 3 account subscriptions and I quit EVE.

Either Way CCP loses. I think there are many people what would end up in the exact same boat I am.

DB


Number one is the ideal scenario though. Even though they lose your $45, they actually make $50 from the three other players who decided to start playing and found they really liked the game so they bought some dual-plexes or cool new ship decals.

These three players also create content for the game, they make an alliance and defeat the mittani. You see this game is about the players, and the more we have - the more content we have.



*facepalm*

REALLY?

You suck at math, dude.


Okay, let's look at it this way. He's paying $45 a month. He quits.

3 more people buy EVE for $150 total.

4 months in, these people have brought CCP $150 in revenue.


Or, we keep this business model, and he keeps paying $45 per month.

4 months in, He's brought CCP $180 in revenue.

Gee, I wonder which one CCP would prefer.


Yes but by those four months, even more people start playing and even more maybe even use the cosmetic cash shop.



Oh, just like in the last few months all kinds of new people have started playing EVE as it is today?
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-10-30 19:32:53 UTC
I don't know. I've been thinking about quitting once I get my Occulus Rift and it turns out that its great as everyone says it is.

Sadly, I plexed all my accounts til January 30th. I'll most likely play enough to put one plex in each so I can renew without paying money.

I would have to agree that EVE is getting stale, but I could just be burnt out from making billions of isk in a short period of time.

Maybe I just need a break.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-10-30 19:33:35 UTC
I've stopped believing in transformations ever since I saw the marauders on SiSi.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2013-10-30 19:34:58 UTC
-1 to OP.

Just.. No.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-10-30 19:40:42 UTC
As a fellow mouth breather I agree with the OP
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#60 - 2013-10-30 19:41:30 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I don't know. I've been thinking about quitting once I get my Occulus Rift and it turns out that its great as everyone says it is.

Sadly, I plexed all my accounts til January 30th. I'll most likely play enough to put one plex in each so I can renew without paying money.

I would have to agree that EVE is getting stale, but I could just be burnt out from making billions of isk in a short period of time.

Maybe I just need a break.


Yea, it's you. I've been playing since 2007, not one intentional break (only time ive been away from the game was for work trips, internet outages and the like) and I'm still not burned out or finding the game the least bit stale. My favorite saying on the matter is "if you aren't having fun in a sandbox, it's not the sands fault".

I'll play SC too, I'll also laugh at the legions of disappointed and angry folks who bought into the hype realize that no matter how cool it ends up being, it won't wipe your backside or walk your dog for you because it's just a game.