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Suggesting updated rules for highsec capitals

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2013-10-30 15:18:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Jake Warbird wrote:


C'mon CCP we aren't your enemies here. Some of us have been with you throughout the whole time Eve has been online. Don't you think we deserve more of your patience?

it's become quite apparent over the last month or so that we are indeed their enemy

unless we sell GTC that is
Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2013-10-30 15:22:23 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:


C'mon CCP we aren't your enemies here. Some of us have been with you throughout the whole time Eve has been online. Don't you think we deserve more of your patience?

it's become quite apparent over the last month or so that we are indeed their enemy



they ore there on worst enemy.......
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#83 - 2013-10-30 15:23:10 UTC
Sheave Yens Nor wrote:
You know, I used to think that CCP had some kind of grand plan for the EvE universe, and even though we may not be privy to that plan in it's entirety and therefore may not understand bizarre rule changes, it still exists. Now I'm starting to think they're just a bunch of regular dudes who've caught the dragon by the tail and are holding on for dear life; in short, they have no idea what they're doing and making snap decisions without rhyme or reason is their way of trying to convince the player base (and possibly themselves) that they're in control.

At least that's how it looks to me...



Not empty quoting.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#84 - 2013-10-30 15:27:08 UTC
Nicen Jehr wrote:
Surely Chribba has killed rats while mining?

Surely I have not because 1) There are no rats in 1.0 and 2) I don't fit offensive modules Lol

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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#85 - 2013-10-30 15:49:57 UTC
Read. Between. The. Damn. Lines. People.

The. GMs. Are. Willing. To. Fix. This. Problem. And. Are. Also. Using. It. As. An. Excuse. To. Clarify. The. Rules.

Sheesh, the GM didn't flat out say "escalate the petition and we'll restore your highsec carrier" but he repeatedly said everything but. . .

I am not an alt of Chribba.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2013-10-30 16:18:36 UTC
GM Spiral wrote:

To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats...


What does this pilot suppose to do in belt should ge get visit of belt rats? It's ok when they attack ship but occasionally they can attack drones. In this case capital pilot has no rights to get drones back or remote rep them (defending) or kill these rats by other drones (attacking)???

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Daedelus51
Doomheim
#87 - 2013-10-30 16:19:45 UTC
First off let me just say, I too am a high sec Cap Pilot. CCP needs to get some compitent people to answer petitions. Why didnt he tell Astecus the " 24 hour " warning he gave WASN'T final, and that he could appeal? Also, according to the " New Rules " ( that no one knew about ) even chribba has violated them, after all mining in an ungankable ship is definatly " Unfair advantage" . Especially in these times. SHAME on you CCP, these ships ARE HERE Legally. The owners are not criminals, treating them as such is bullshit...... now lets see how long till they Ban my chimera, also in Otela, and Astecus IS my friend, a truly nice person. which is VERY Rare in Game.....CCP you seriously screwed the pooch on this one.
Molenius Morrowinger
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-10-30 17:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Molenius Morrowinger
This story really insta-killed my awe of EvE and GMs competency in particular.

If aggression for capitals in high sec is not allowed, it should be a game mechanic which apply actions as consequence. Like concord will damp your sensors and give you 60 second notice to dock your ship, otherwise it would cyno jump your cap in to random location in low sec. Therefore no human factor involved and you will not violate intentionally or not the rules which are defined somewhere is GMs head.

Is EvE sandbox still?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2013-10-30 17:28:14 UTC
Daedelus51 wrote:
First off let me just say, I too am a high sec Cap Pilot. CCP needs to get some compitent people to answer petitions. Why didnt he tell Astecus the " 24 hour " warning he gave WASN'T final, and that he could appeal? Also, according to the " New Rules " ( that no one knew about ) even chribba has violated them, after all mining in an ungankable ship is definatly " Unfair advantage" . Especially in these times. SHAME on you CCP, these ships ARE HERE Legally. The owners are not criminals, treating them as such is bullshit...... now lets see how long till they Ban my chimera, also in Otela, and Astecus IS my friend, a truly nice person. which is VERY Rare in Game.....CCP you seriously screwed the pooch on this one.
Hahaha the shitstorm they'd create even just for tempbanning Chribba would be devastating. ^_^
Jack Mancetti
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2013-10-30 17:35:05 UTC
CCP are miles away from his own game called Eve-Online,there is a human factor which is increasingly displaced.
CCP lost the human factor for isk and capital,sad but true Sad
Astecus
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#91 - 2013-10-30 17:49:38 UTC
Update: A senior GM has now restored my Archon and restored my faith in CCP. He/She has also admitted that mistakes where made, and that CCP will take steps to make the rules more clear. I again thank CCP for doing this.

My reimbursed Archon can now be found 50km off the Otela V station, with no intentions of turning suspect. It has no drones in the drone bay and no highslots fitted. I will likely keep it online 23/7 for people's enjoyment.

Reloaded Main: Astevon | Creator of the Anti-ganking channel, Anti-ganking.net and AstralServices.net
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-10-30 17:50:59 UTC
Astecus wrote:
Update: A senior GM has now restored my Archon and restored my faith in CCP. He/She has also admitted that mistakes where made, and that CCP will take steps to make the rules more clear. I again thank CCP for doing this.

My reimbursed Archon can now be found 50km off the Otela V station, with no intentions of turning suspect. It has no drones in the drone bay and no highslots fitted. I will likely keep it online 23/7 for people's enjoyment.


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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#93 - 2013-10-30 17:51:08 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Hahaha the shitstorm they'd create even just for tempbanning Chribba would be devastating. ^_^

You must be new here. The Veldnought was threatened, which lead to the current rules for capitals in hisec.

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=856260
Jayne Fillon
#94 - 2013-10-30 17:57:22 UTC
Astecus wrote:
Update: A senior GM has now restored my Archon and restored my faith in CCP. He/She has also admitted that mistakes where made, and that CCP will take steps to make the rules more clear. I again thank CCP for doing this.

My reimbursed Archon can now be found 50km off the Otela V station, with no intentions of turning suspect. It has no drones in the drone bay and no highslots fitted. I will likely keep it online 23/7 for people's enjoyment.


Well hot damn. Mission accomplished, faith restored.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-10-30 17:57:45 UTC
Astecus wrote:
Update: A senior GM has now restored my Archon and restored my faith in CCP. He/She has also admitted that mistakes where made, and that CCP will take steps to make the rules more clear. I again thank CCP for doing this.

My reimbursed Archon can now be found 50km off the Otela V station, with no intentions of turning suspect. It has no drones in the drone bay and no highslots fitted. I will likely keep it online 23/7 for people's enjoyment.

I know just what to do with that Archon man. Trust me... Blink
Astecus
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#96 - 2013-10-30 18:15:55 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
I know just what to do with that Archon man. Trust me... Blink

How many pilots are needed to gank 4 million EHP (not overloaded)?

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oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2013-10-30 18:34:32 UTC
Astecus wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
I know just what to do with that Archon man. Trust me... Blink

How many pilots are needed to gank 4 million EHP (not overloaded)?


You must parade it now.... WITH MANY FIREWORKS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#98 - 2013-10-30 18:52:55 UTC
Astecus wrote:
Update: A senior GM has now restored my Archon and restored my faith in CCP. He/She has also admitted that mistakes where made, and that CCP will take steps to make the rules more clear. I again thank CCP for doing this.

My reimbursed Archon can now be found 50km off the Otela V station, with no intentions of turning suspect. It has no drones in the drone bay and no highslots fitted. I will likely keep it online 23/7 for people's enjoyment.

Congrats, nice to see something positive on these forums this week Smile
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#99 - 2013-10-30 18:56:47 UTC
One wonders why it always takes bad press and negative player reactions to move CCP into doing things reasonably.

Other than that, I'm glad this worked out for you, OP.
Cierra Royce
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2013-10-30 19:06:29 UTC
GM Spiral wrote:
As for the OP, your ticket is still open you can still exercise your right to have the matter reviewed by a senior member of the GM department if you believe things to be amiss and it will be investigated.

Capital ships in high security space have been a regular discussion topic in the GM department ever since the events which resulted in the current rules for high-sec capitals.

To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception).
High-sec capitals may not be sold, traded, or change hands through any means whatsoever.

We will be happy to review and reconsider said rules if that is what our community believes is something that needs to be done.


If I might suggest the following:

High sec capitals should be treated as captials anywhere else, with one proviso, no cynos into high sec, all the other fluff should be removed.

Having a lone carrier in high sec unable to call in similar support is of no meaningful advantage to any entity in eve anymore, and destruction would be a substantial blow to the owners prestige, lone carriers die to all sorts of small gangs these days, lets have it happen in high sec too.