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Banjo Blanco
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-10-30 13:11:34 UTC
Hi well I have a few question. I want to rent a null space for mine ore ice and rat. but i dont know waht i need to take. I have a small fleet of five miners. I only know i need a POS, but what other thing i need to take? (I have RHEA to transport all.)

Ohter question I can kill the rats in asteriod belt with drones tech 2 or need to got to pos and take a battleship?


Well I appreciate any help and advice.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2 - 2013-10-30 13:26:56 UTC
Do not try this solo.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-10-30 14:52:35 UTC
The various renting alliances have published theirs costs in the main part. (i think the sell order forum has a bunch of them)
You can even rent station systems.
So you will be able to establidh your fixed costs np.
Your play time is presumably something you can estimate.
Your isk /hr over what you would make in high sec is presumably not too hard to calculate,
I think most of the renting groups offer a jump freighter service anyway.
Stick a margin on for losses and for downtime when people are hunting you.
Do you have a plan to cope with afk cloakers who may have cyno's fitted?
If you plan to live in a POS what will you do when it gets reinforced?

There is a saying in EVE.
If you can't defend what you have you didn't deserve to have it.

It is imo better to join an group already doing roughly what you want to do and join them.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-10-30 15:38:14 UTC
To tank the larger rats, you really should be flying a procurer or skiff with a tank fit. 25x T2 drones should make short work of any rats other than the officer ones. If you see one with "convoy" or "hauler" in the name, take them out and get your biggest hauling ship to loot the cargo (they carry minerals, and some will have several million units of minerals - the biggest multi-hauler spawn we had took about an hour of hauling with everyone in the corp hauling in their biggest indy and that load would be about 50 trips in a Kyros today).

If the location you are renting in have i-hubs, make sure they have at least level 2 mining upgrades installed. Many rental corps will require you to purchase and haul the plug-ins and will install them for you. If this makes no sense, you ought to read Bloodtear's Industry Report:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1205/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report_v3.pdf
My experience is that after the recent ore buff, Mexallon is now the limiting factor for manufacture.

If this is your first deployment to nullsec, my recommendation is to stick with a system that has an outpost. While the rental prices may be higher, there are a lot of little things you'll need to learn and being able to dock in something non-destroyable is well worth it in the beginning - keep it simple for the first trip.

Things to bring for your first deployment:
Ships.
Spare ships.
Spare fittings.
Blueprints for mining crystals and any other consumables.
Command centers for the planets in your destination.
With jump freighter costs around 400-500 isk per cubic meter, some low value ships (like industrials) may best be shipped down as blueprints and manufactured in place.

Things to leave up in highsec:
Things you can't afford to lose.
Jump clones - for those times when folks are camping your system or you forgot to bring X.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#5 - 2013-10-30 15:49:43 UTC
As with most things in RL or in New Eden if you don't fully know what you're doing then you shouldn't try to do it.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#6 - 2013-10-31 18:13:23 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
As with most things in RL or in New Eden if you don't fully know what you're doing then you shouldn't try to do it.

Or expect to pay a bit for the initial learning.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2013-10-31 20:23:45 UTC
There is a difference between mining in belts, and mining in an upgraded system.

In belts you may encounter triple battleship spawns and their escorts.

Historically a pimped Hulk (faction hardeners & deadspace shield booster) was used to tank these, but a modern Skiff would have no problem. Of course an alternative is to simply destroy the spawn, often with an alt in a Dominix.
Ivan Krividus
Cold Lazarus Inc
The-Expanse
#8 - 2013-11-01 00:18:52 UTC
Well you definitely should pick a safe system to mine in. You should tell me your system so i can insure that its a safe one...
Kronos
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-11-05 12:00:45 UTC
I had this problem, wanting to mine in null sec but looking for such safe sites is painstakingly slow and high risk for the investment needed to have operations.

Then I started to look into CVA Providence space.

Here I have found some nice mining systems in null sec. Often there are some good fighters for protection or scouting giving heads up as to threats comming in.

System I have found has been upgraded so complexs are good for RAT hunting.

I think smaller miner corps should aim to help and support CVA in providence as it always seems to be under attack.

They have a no red no shoot policy. (dont always work and you need tou check you status before roaming in there space).

It is not 100% secure and safe but safer than doing it alone in a null sec system. The other options I found where to pay an alliance about 5 billion a month to mine and setup in there so call protected systems. Now this is good if you have the player power (man power) to get that kind of ISK. Always a risk from wars they may have, also you do not know that they will turn around and shoot you in the back. (no offence to anyone who offer this type of service).

Providence (CVA space) has stations so you dont need your own. Some will charge a docking fee, but some dont.

What I have found to be good in providence are players wanting to help the freedom of null sec space for those who whish to follow high sec rules in null sec space. be honest and friendly towards all and they return like for like, turn around and be a pain and they will happily clear you out of there space.

Other larger Alliances in null sec might find CVA rules to be good starting for manufacturing corps, maybe a good investment as they can provide a lot. Just dont ask for such a high charges and help them grow, next thing you know you could have endless supplys of ships right where you need them.
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
#10 - 2013-11-06 00:52:16 UTC
In my early years I tried null sec mining in a Mammoth and I can tell you that does not work very well. So, it's basically the only advice I have: Don't solo mine in null with a Mammoth - at least not semi-afk. Well, I could imagine, you already know that...
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-11-06 12:22:43 UTC
You will need:
>Tower, hangars, smas and lots of guns
>Ships (barges, BS, T3, cov ops, haulers)
>Spare fittings (Cloaks, stabs, tank mods, DCU IIs, scan probes and launchers, cynos)
>BPOs for fuel, ammo
>Cyno alts
>Money
>Empire clones

Find a decent system you can afford to rent. Do a proper check on your landlords. Make sure it's relatively safe area, dotlan helps with this. Work out your jump route. Work out your evac route to nearest NPC station. Things go wrong and you don't want your assets getting stuck.

My suggestion is that you find a nullsec corp to join that will help you out while you learn how it all works. It looks to me you are gonna be putting around 10b in harms way with your JF, tower, rent fees and any other stuff. Since you haven't done this before it's very likely you lose some of this money.

I myself run a nullsec corp. If you have any questions you can contact me ingame, I'll help you out as best I can.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#12 - 2013-11-06 18:24:14 UTC
join a corp that already does this.

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