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Cismet
Zero Tax Fun House
#421 - 2013-10-30 12:16:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cismet
Katarina Reid wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Katarina Reid wrote:
Herr Kutz wrote:
Funny how despite being asked to share it, the recipient of the "cease and desist" order still hasn't provided a copy here...

...or is it just more "LOOK AT ME" BS like a large proportion of the "facts" that have been quoted in this thread?


I tried to get accross the point of the letter but GM's have told me not to post it.
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/
18: You may not publish private communications from CCP, their agents or representatives or EVE Online volunteers without authorization.

Ah yes, how wonderful.

I guess everyone has to get their own copy before we can discuss it...

Like everything else I am sure it will leak.

Hint, Hint..

I know others have it and if it needs leaking they can. I dont want to push my luck anymore.


It's a shame that CCP feel the need to be so Draconian and Censor-happy with this. By not having transparency they are furthering the problem that was under the root of this in the first place. That of favouritism. There is, as a result, no way for the player base that has been enraged by this to know that the issue has been dealt with in a fair manner without direct communication from CCP.

That section of the EULA is actually unenforceable in most countries. You cannot legally agree to any contract that removes your statutory rights, one of which is freedom of speech. The only exclusions to this are varying national security laws which take precedent and I'm not sure that CCP can call this a matter of national security in any country. They can however decide to decline you the service for no reason as has previously been mentioned.

I have a problem with CCP telling me that I do not own my account or any of the virtual items under the account but yet still taking my money every month. Effectively all the hours I put in I am "working" to provide CCP with virtual goods and paying for the privilege? That's virtual slavery. While it won't stop me playing the game as CCP are by no means the only company to do it, it does leave a rather bitter taste in the mouth.

Likewise there are various other parts of the EULA that are unenforceable because they are already covered by Law or because you can't contractually force someone to agree to their terms. Sadly large companies think that being draconian will scare people into just meekly accepting that they can't do anything in the face of an EULA.

The legitimacy of an EULA has never been tested in a court of law as far as I'm aware (and my google fu cannot find any examples of same either)

Software is about the only industry in the world where you are forced to "license" their stuff instead of purrchasing it. If you went into a car dealership and tried to buy a car they told you that you can only pay to borrow one but anything that goes wrong with that car is your fault and problem, you'd laugh your way out of the shop, but we all put up with it with software.

This post has gone somewhat off-topic but this issue is coterminous with the EULA and license agreements in general.

I guess the bottom line I'm trying to get to is that CCP needs to be transparent in this for the player base to actually have any faith that they act fairly in these matters.
Frying Doom
#422 - 2013-10-30 12:20:21 UTC
Faith in CCP. That ship sailed long ago.

Every time they start getting it back they do something to lose it again.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Cismet
Zero Tax Fun House
#423 - 2013-10-30 12:24:13 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Faith in CCP. That ship sailed long ago.

Every time they start getting it back they do something to lose it again.


Indeed, I guess we like to think of CCP as better than the likes of EA and Blizzard and all the other heavy-handed Software publishers/developers out there, but in the end they are exactly the same, which should probably come as no surprise in the end.
Sushi Nardieu
The Generic Pirate Corporation
#424 - 2013-10-30 12:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Sushi Nardieu
Katarina Reid wrote:
Sushi Nardieu wrote:
Well, you had a good run Reid.

Best of luck when you leave the game.

PS - can i have ur stuff?


Not leaving was just down grading still worth 70b and $660:)






How about using my link to buy ETC for no isk as no one is ment to give rewards any more link


In that case, thanks for the honest service.

Next time perhaps.

The Guns of Knowledge 

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#425 - 2013-10-30 12:59:42 UTC
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Quote:
Again- this is not about isk. No one has any problem with Somer making isk ingame. This is about real life money.


Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:


Why would Somer cheat?



I can think of a 135,000 reasons.


Yeah because rigging their website would get more people to buy GTCs from them.

:logic:
Quote:


Mhmmm and a casino doesn't need oversight and regulations because they wouldn't load dice, rig money wheels, etc...that would cause less people to play. Oh, wait...they have some of the toughest rules in business and for a very good reason.

:you're a dummy:


And your equating blink with RL casino's is about the same as equating suicide gankers with RL terrorists.


Please....Suicide ganks and the like are contained within the magic circle. 3rd party gambling sites using PLEX, isk and RMT to skirt all kinds of rules is something completely different.

If this stuff is completely legit I'll have EVE Racing in the works within a few days. Anyone wanna bet isk on Nascar? How about the Kentucky Derby?...3 to 1 on the 7 horse looks good! Or wait...maybe just a lottery so we don't get into copyright infringement problems. Anyone want to open up a full service online casino? CCP doesn't seem to mind if we use their PLEX to isk system to make it happen. You can completely trust me to never take several trillion isk and RMT it because I'm a good person.

Any chance CCP would like to help fund my endeavor? I'm positive we'll make out like bandits until we're caught. Then we'll just claim it's the same as killing internet spaceships.




(Taken from the other thread to keep all this nice info easy to find and keep track of) Lol
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#426 - 2013-10-30 13:01:38 UTC
ngaly wrote:
Andski wrote:


...

He doesn't, Somer does. For all the shady crap he's been involved in in the past I don't think "tax evasion risking levies and jail time" is among them. What he did in the past isn't a violation of US laws, but not reporting your profits to the IRS is.

Maybe he is not a US citizen. Depending on where he lives it might be reailistically possible for him to evade taxes.


Both Somer and Markee Dragon are US residents and are required to pay taxes in the US. This discussion is about whether Somer should continue to be allowed to offer credits to people buying GTCs through his affiliate link, not about whether he or his business partner are tax evaders (which is a non-EVE matter entirely, and the consequences are extremely harsh)

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

RAW23
#427 - 2013-10-30 13:06:43 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
flakeys wrote:
Herr Kutz wrote:
Funny how despite being asked to share it, the recipient of the "cease and desist" order still hasn't provided a copy here...

...or is it just more "LOOK AT ME" BS like a large proportion of the "facts" that have been quoted in this thread?



It's even more funny that your char only ever posted in : a char sale thread and then 3 different threads over the last months of wich ALL 3 where about somer .



So yes i AM looking at you ... who the main boy ?




Oh ... this is priceless!

Flakeys, you made a mistake mate. That first thread isn't a character sale; it's in sell orders. And guess what he's selling? Oh yes, it's an Ishukone Watch Scorpion 9 days after they were awarded to Somer employees LolLolLolLol

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=273452

Also this:

Herr Kutz wrote:

SOMER gets paid for the GTC referral. SOMER's "employees" don't. They get paid in isk (or so a SOMER employee told me and according to their website).


I think we have a confirmed shill.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#428 - 2013-10-30 13:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Katarina Reid
Me to Markeedragon
People on somerblink are just telling everyone they havent been told to stop. People are expecting the resellers to shut everyone down and the longer it takes the worse it looks

Markeedragon to me
They are correct they have not been told to stop and we are working with CCP on long term solutions.


Looks like markeedragon and somer are going to use the 10 days. There are alot more messages but that gets to the point.
Alt Two
Caldari Capital Construction Inc.
#429 - 2013-10-30 13:22:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Alt Two
Katarina Reid wrote:
Me to Markeedragon
People on somerblink are just telling everyone they havent been told to stop. People are expecting the resellers to shut everyone down and the longer it takes the worse it looks

Markeedragon to me
They are correct they have not been told to stop and we are working with CCP on long term solutions.


Looks like markeedragon and somer are going to use the 10 days. There are alot more messages but that gets to the point.

Or he could mean that Somer hasn't been given a 10 day deadline at all. I wouldn't be surprised if they are being given special treatment yet again.

You know, I kinda get the feeling CCP are deliberately trying to kill off EVE..
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#430 - 2013-10-30 13:25:34 UTC
Alt Two wrote:
Katarina Reid wrote:
Me to Markeedragon
People on somerblink are just telling everyone they havent been told to stop. People are expecting the resellers to shut everyone down and the longer it takes the worse it looks

Markeedragon to me
They are correct they have not been told to stop and we are working with CCP on long term solutions.


Looks like markeedragon and somer are going to use the 10 days. There are alot more messages but that gets to the point.

Or he could mean that Somer hasn't been given a 10 day deadline at all. I wouldn't be surprised if they are being given special treatment yet again.

The resellers Markeedragon/Shattered Crystal have been told to stop it. Shattered Crystal sent me the message right away and i stopped. EVE games has stopped i dont know there deal think they got sent a letter. Somer has not been told to stop by there reseller which is Markeedragon. Seem like he doesent want to stop it he has 10 days.
RAW23
#431 - 2013-10-30 13:26:47 UTC
Katarina Reid wrote:
Me to Markeedragon
People on somerblink are just telling everyone they havent been told to stop. People are expecting the resellers to shut everyone down and the longer it takes the worse it looks

Markeedragon to me
They are correct they have not been told to stop and we are working with CCP on long term solutions.


Looks like markeedragon and somer are going to use the 10 days. There are alot more messages but that gets to the point.


So, has Markeedragon withheld the letter from CCP that was forwarded to you by your reseller? Or has CCP not sent a letter to Markeedragon?

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Alt Two
Caldari Capital Construction Inc.
#432 - 2013-10-30 13:28:11 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Katarina Reid wrote:
Me to Markeedragon
People on somerblink are just telling everyone they havent been told to stop. People are expecting the resellers to shut everyone down and the longer it takes the worse it looks

Markeedragon to me
They are correct they have not been told to stop and we are working with CCP on long term solutions.


Looks like markeedragon and somer are going to use the 10 days. There are alot more messages but that gets to the point.


So, has Markeedragon withheld the letter from CCP that was forwarded to you by your reseller? Or has CCP not sent a letter to Markeedragon?

Or has CCP told MarkeeDragon to pass on the letter to everyone except Somer?
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#433 - 2013-10-30 13:30:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Katarina Reid
RAW23 wrote:
Katarina Reid wrote:
Me to Markeedragon
People on somerblink are just telling everyone they havent been told to stop. People are expecting the resellers to shut everyone down and the longer it takes the worse it looks

Markeedragon to me
They are correct they have not been told to stop and we are working with CCP on long term solutions.


Looks like markeedragon and somer are going to use the 10 days. There are alot more messages but that gets to the point.


So, has Markeedragon withheld the letter from CCP that was forwarded to you by your reseller? Or has CCP not sent a letter to Markeedragon?


It sounds like he got the letter. He has 10 days to stop somer doesn't have to give the letter to somer just cant use somer if the blink credits are still given. Seem like he wants to use the whole 10 day tho:(
Handsome Feller
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#434 - 2013-10-30 13:36:03 UTC
Katarina Reid wrote:

It sounds like he got the letter. He has 10 days to stop somer doesn't have to give the letter to somer just cant use somer if the blink credits are still given. Seem like he wants to use the whole 10 day tho:(


What's 10 days after several years? I'm not surprised they're going to try and, well, "appeal" CCP's decision. If I was making some nice bank on it, I'd probably do that too. But something tells me they'll be wasting their time. At least I hope they will.
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#435 - 2013-10-30 13:45:47 UTC
Handsome Feller wrote:
Katarina Reid wrote:

It sounds like he got the letter. He has 10 days to stop somer doesn't have to give the letter to somer just cant use somer if the blink credits are still given. Seem like he wants to use the whole 10 day tho:(


What's 10 days after several years? I'm not surprised they're going to try and, well, "appeal" CCP's decision. If I was making some nice bank on it, I'd probably do that too. But something tells me they'll be wasting their time. At least I hope they will.


Well Markeedragon didnt want to work with me because he thought i was breaking the eve rules. CCP has sent this letter out which does say these bonuses are against the EULA but he is still dealing with somer. Just seems odd he should of shut it down while the he appeals it.
RAW23
#436 - 2013-10-30 14:00:07 UTC
Handsome Feller wrote:
Katarina Reid wrote:

It sounds like he got the letter. He has 10 days to stop somer doesn't have to give the letter to somer just cant use somer if the blink credits are still given. Seem like he wants to use the whole 10 day tho:(


What's 10 days after several years? I'm not surprised they're going to try and, well, "appeal" CCP's decision. If I was making some nice bank on it, I'd probably do that too. But something tells me they'll be wasting their time. At least I hope they will.


CCP would have to be mad to change their mind on this. Especially since everyone apart from Somer already seems to have conformed to their demands. On the other hand, it seems a bit strange that CCP hasn't made any public announcement on this issue yet, despite contacting the resellers. Perhaps they are open to revisiting the topic. I wonder how much power Markeedragon wields over them.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Shad Duken
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#437 - 2013-10-30 14:01:23 UTC
Katarina Reid wrote:
Handsome Feller wrote:
Katarina Reid wrote:

It sounds like he got the letter. He has 10 days to stop somer doesn't have to give the letter to somer just cant use somer if the blink credits are still given. Seem like he wants to use the whole 10 day tho:(


What's 10 days after several years? I'm not surprised they're going to try and, well, "appeal" CCP's decision. If I was making some nice bank on it, I'd probably do that too. But something tells me they'll be wasting their time. At least I hope they will.


Well Markeedragon didnt want to work with me because he thought i was breaking the eve rules. CCP has sent this letter out which does say these bonuses are against the EULA but he is still dealing with somer. Just seems odd he should of shut it down while the he appeals it.



So if MarkeeDragon think you were breaking the EULA (likely because you were offering direct in-game isk), maybe they - and CCP - think the somer way is legal?

Might explain why they're saying they've not received a letter and MD is saying they've not asked somer to stop. We'll see if CCP can explain this one. If they ever reply ofc
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#438 - 2013-10-30 14:11:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Argus Sorn
Katarina Reid wrote:
CCP would have to be mad to change their mind on this. Especially since everyone apart from Somer already seems to have conformed to their demands. On the other hand, it seems a bit strange that CCP hasn't made any public announcement on this issue yet, despite contacting the resellers. Perhaps they are open to revisiting the topic. I wonder how much power Markeedragon wields over them.



See my post about them (CCP) sucking at crisis management. The wall of silence strategy they seem to like employing is like so 1970's.
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#439 - 2013-10-30 14:31:01 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Herr Kutz wrote:
Funny how despite being asked to share it, the recipient of the "cease and desist" order still hasn't provided a copy here...

...or is it just more "LOOK AT ME" BS like a large proportion of the "facts" that have been quoted in this thread?



It's even more funny that your char only ever posted in : a char sale thread and then 3 different threads over the last months of wich ALL 3 where about somer .



So yes i AM looking at you ... who the main boy ?




Oh ... this is priceless!

Flakeys, you made a mistake mate. That first thread isn't a character sale; it's in sell orders. And guess what he's selling? Oh yes, it's an Ishukone Watch Scorpion 9 days after they were awarded to Somer employees LolLolLolLol

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=273452

Also this:

Herr Kutz wrote:

SOMER gets paid for the GTC referral. SOMER's "employees" don't. They get paid in isk (or so a SOMER employee told me and according to their website).


I think we have a confirmed shill.

lol. what a surprise Roll
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#440 - 2013-10-30 14:32:38 UTC
Interesting question is what the internal affairs team was doing all the time.

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