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Be paranoid, be very paranoid even in high security systems

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Tatsuj Khan
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-10-30 06:08:36 UTC

Here's a lesson to share: always make sure not to leave yourself unnecessarily exposed in open space when checking up on new marvels you discover as you fly through Eve. Dock up, cloak, find a safe spot, whatever it takes. For example, try not to warp to the sun and scan, or go to an anomaly or cosmic signature and sit there while you read up on it.

I had to learn that lesson again today. I found an oddly placed worm-hole that was way out of the solar system plane. So uncharacteristically I went with my Cheetah Explorer to investigate a worm-hole I've haven't seen before, a M555 class. The system is a quiet dead-end, wiith few in local - I got complacent as I sat stationary about 20km away from the worm-hole. Curious, I tabbed to my browser to read up on the M555. Came back to Eve... and WTF... I was inside far-away station. Took me a minute to figure out what happened Lol


For those seeking an opportunity, Korben Kurvora has a quarter billion ISK bounty on his head and recently seems to hang around Kor-Azor / Ordion (0.5). He now has 30 day kill-right open to all.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2013-10-30 06:24:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Pro-tip 1: when you enter a wormhole you effectively leave high security space. It's 0.0 space in there (no CONCORD, station or gate guns... hell, there are no stations or gates in any of them).

Pro-tip 2: wormholes don't show anyone in local. At all. Unless they talk. Which is bad. Because then people know they are there.

Pro-tip 3: the guy you put a bounty on is laughing manically and probably feels awesome that someone put that large a price on his/her head.


Congrats on being ballsy enough to actually enter a wormhole to begin with.Blink
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#3 - 2013-10-30 06:47:46 UTC  |  Edited by: NightCrawler 85
By the looks of it he dident actually enter the WH but got blown up while he was still in high sec, but without checking im guessing he is in a war with that persons alliance since he lost both his ship and pod,unless you can actually gank both the ship and pod before concord shows up in 0.5?

Edit - Nm he wouldent have gotten kill rights on him if they were in a war. this is what i get for posting late at night when im tired Lol
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-10-30 07:04:01 UTC
He was killed and podded in highsec. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20243381
Suicide gank by catalyst.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2013-10-30 07:05:26 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
By the looks of it he dident actually enter the WH but got blown up while he was still in high sec, but without checking im guessing he is in a war with that persons alliance since he lost both his ship and pod,unless you can actually gank both the ship and pod before concord shows up in 0.5?

Edit - Nm he wouldent have gotten kill rights on him if they were in a war. this is what i get for posting late at night when im tired Lol


You can get ship and pod both with an illegal highsec attack if you are fast enough. Usually I can do it for Hulks, Covetors and Retrievers but not Mackinaws (assuming one relevant tanking module).

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Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#6 - 2013-10-30 07:40:44 UTC
If he ganks in high sec, it wouldn't surprise me if he already has -10 sec status. In which case the kill right is pointless since anyone can attack him already.

If he is not a criminal, making the kill right publicly available for free is not too smart. He will sit in a noob ship and get an alt or corp mate to activate it and clear it.

If you really want to annoy a suicide ganker, make the kill right publicly available FOR A PRICE. High enough that he won't simply pay and clear it, low enough that he will never feel safe flying his expensive ships in high sec again. I would suggest somewhere between the 25m and 50m.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#7 - 2013-10-30 11:38:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
Trevor Dalech wrote:
If he ganks in high sec, it wouldn't surprise me if he already has -10 sec status. In which case the kill right is pointless since anyone can attack him already.

If he is not a criminal, making the kill right publicly available for free is not too smart. He will sit in a noob ship and get an alt or corp mate to activate it and clear it.

If you really want to annoy a suicide ganker, make the kill right publicly available FOR A PRICE. High enough that he won't simply pay and clear it, low enough that he will never feel safe flying his expensive ships in high sec again. I would suggest somewhere between the 25m and 50m.



That works on tankers that fly expensive stuff at times. Most of us don't. (Edit: Gankers. I hate autocorrect)

The most expensive ship I have ever undocked in was an Ishtar or a Hyperion. Most people won't pay 50m to get a Hyperion kill mail.

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Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#8 - 2013-10-30 13:40:45 UTC
Just adding in 2 more data points.

According to EVE-Who, the guy who killed him has a positive sec status of 2.2

And according to Eve-kill, when the OP got ganked, he dropped 43 mill of loot. More than enough to offset the cost of the catalyst that got him ,even T2 fitted. On top of which there would be salvage loot too.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-10-30 15:02:37 UTC
Degnar Oskold wrote:
And according to Eve-kill, when the OP got ganked, he dropped 43 mill of loot. More than enough to offset the cost of the catalyst that got him ,even T2 fitted. On top of which there would be salvage loot too.
Very good point.

So, yes, be paranoid if you fly around with something worth 70 millions that has barely more EHP than a pod.

BTW, his killer isn't normally a high-sec ganker. He seems to live in W-Space. He probably just came out of that WH to sell or buy something in high sec, saw the Cheetah AFK and took the opportunity to get himself some loot.
If the OP hadn't had fitted that sister launcher, he could probably have floated there until downtime without an issue.

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#10 - 2013-10-30 23:43:03 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
If the OP hadn't had fitted that sister launcher, he could probably have floated there until downtime without an issue.

Not empty quoting.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-10-31 01:15:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Thomas Builder wrote:
Degnar Oskold wrote:
And according to Eve-kill, when the OP got ganked, he dropped 43 mill of loot. More than enough to offset the cost of the catalyst that got him ,even T2 fitted. On top of which there would be salvage loot too.
Very good point.

So, yes, be paranoid if you fly around with something worth 70 millions that has barely more EHP than a pod.

BTW, his killer isn't normally a high-sec ganker. He seems to live in W-Space. He probably just came out of that WH to sell or buy something in high sec, saw the Cheetah AFK and took the opportunity to get himself some loot.
If the OP hadn't had fitted that sister launcher, he could probably have floated there until downtime without an issue.



When I used to spot for a sucide ganker, thats what he had me look for. T2 frigates with sisters launchers.

Here is a lesson for you OP. Always be cloaking. The only time to uncloak is to launch probes. Recloak as soon as the launcher has reloaded.

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Tatsuj Khan
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-11-01 04:06:28 UTC

Today, I was flying through Ordion and guess who I meet running level 4 missions in a Tempest, Mr. Korben Kurvora! Lol


Trevor Dalech wrote:

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If he is not a criminal, making the kill right publicly available for free is not too smart. He will sit in a noob ship and get an alt or corp mate to activate it and clear it.

If you really want to annoy a suicide ganker, make the kill right publicly available FOR A PRICE. High enough that he won't simply pay and clear it, low enough that he will never feel safe flying his expensive ships in high sec again. I would suggest somewhere between the 25m and 50m.



This. Great TIP for everybody who hasn't yet read up on the kill mail mechanisms. P And Trevor was absolutely right, after reading this and look up info about kill mails I checked up on my Concorde messages and there it was, just minutes that I made it publicly available there appeared the "Your kill right was used." Ha, ha.

Lots of other great tips, thank you to the many who gave good advice in this thread. It's nice to know there are good people behind the digital ships in Eve.



Paranoid Loyd
#13 - 2013-11-02 00:26:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Did someone say paranoid?

You should definitely be paranoid in this game.Lol

Never ever go afk, and never ever autopilot.

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Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
#14 - 2013-11-02 17:18:51 UTC
Glad to see our alliance is doing it's part for the game in providing education to new players.

I'm not too up on the bounty system, but doesn't it only pay out up to the amount of the ship the person is flying? If so, you'd have to be flying a pretty blinged out ship to match a quarter billion.

People who largely live in low sec, null sec, or wormhole space largely don't care about kill rights or bounties. I don't particularly feel safe in any space - including high sec. So if someone wants to put a bounty on me, fine by me. It's more a badge of honor than anything. Unfortunately, the largest bounty I ever had put on me was for 100,000 ISK for ninja-salvaging someone else's wreck.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-11-02 18:18:49 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Riel Saigo wrote:
Glad to see our alliance is doing it's part for the game in providing education to new players.

I'm not too up on the bounty system, but doesn't it only pay out up to the amount of the ship the person is flying? If so, you'd have to be flying a pretty blinged out ship to match a quarter billion.

People who largely live in low sec, null sec, or wormhole space largely don't care about kill rights or bounties. I don't particularly feel safe in any space - including high sec. So if someone wants to put a bounty on me, fine by me. It's more a badge of honor than anything. Unfortunately, the largest bounty I ever had put on me was for 100,000 ISK for ninja-salvaging someone else's wreck.


Bounty pay out is 10% / 20% (can't remember which it was) of the loss value.

So 250mil bounty means that the guy need to be flying a 2.5bil / 1.25bil ship to collect it all at once.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-11-02 21:17:32 UTC
yep if you're AFK in something that just can't tank you may get popped. highsec has an epidemic of opportunist gankers. in your case it was worthwhile for him but i've even had shuttles popped.

popping a cloak in a free high slot is really what to do and warp to 0 when travelling, don't AP.

(it's silly really, I just read the forums or other stuff when i'm crossing space.)

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Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-03 00:24:50 UTC
Just wondering but - why would you be sitting in a cheetah in space without the cloak running?

General rule of thumb on cov ops frigates is decloak to launch probes, recloak immediately. You don't keep that cloak off unless docked. Not even while flying around highsec. Keep using it so it's just habit to always turn the thing on.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-11-03 00:35:59 UTC
i rat in a stealth bomber and do pretty much the same. a PvE bomber is meat in 3..2..1 and juicy tags for mr void spam Lol

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