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Has SomerBLINK ever submitted its code for review?

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-10-30 01:20:22 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Why would Somer cheat?


They make their isk by you gambling there


Again- this is not about isk. No one has any problem with Somer making isk ingame. This is about real life money.


Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:


Why would Somer cheat?



I can think of a 135,000 reasons.


Yeah because rigging their website would get more people to buy GTCs from them.

:logic:
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-10-30 01:25:16 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:

Yeah because rigging their website would get more people to buy GTCs from them.

:logic:

yes, people lose all their isk blinking, so they buy more, and especially if it gives them an extra 200mil in credit. plex were only 500mil until recently, so that's a huge ******* bonus compared to just buying GTC from somewhere else. i know a lot of people who buy their GTC through Somer's link, and they don't do it out of altruism, they do it for the free isk.

on the other hand... saying that Somer has no reason to cheat or steal because they are making a huge profit... that's pretty ******* fail logic if ever i've seen any.

look at the corporations around you, they take in ludicrous amounts yet still raise prices and shaft their employees, even when making record profits.... hmmmm, kinda like Somer... making $4-7k a month apparently and only paying their employees a plex per month...

yeah, very realistic to expect fairness out of a casino that exploits it's own employees Roll
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#43 - 2013-10-30 02:06:28 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Why would Somer cheat?


They make their isk by you gambling there


Again- this is not about isk. No one has any problem with Somer making isk ingame. This is about real life money.


Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:


Why would Somer cheat?



I can think of a 135,000 reasons.


Yeah because rigging their website would get more people to buy GTCs from them.

:logic:


Mhmmm and a casino doesn't need oversight and regulations because they wouldn't load dice, rig money wheels, etc...that would cause less people to play. Oh, wait...they have some of the toughest rules in business and for a very good reason.

:you're a dummy:
MonkeyMagic Thiesant
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-10-30 02:21:25 UTC
No need for them to cheat - they have something like an 80% payout. That's insanely bad, an absolutel license to print money.
Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2013-10-30 02:23:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiroma McDiesel
Quote:
Again- this is not about isk. No one has any problem with Somer making isk ingame. This is about real life money.


Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:


Why would Somer cheat?



I can think of a 135,000 reasons.


Yeah because rigging their website would get more people to buy GTCs from them.

:logic:[/quote]

Mhmmm and a casino doesn't need oversight and regulations because they wouldn't load dice, rig money wheels, etc...that would cause less people to play. Oh, wait...they have some of the toughest rules in business and for a very good reason.

:you're a dummy:
[/quote]

And your equating blink with RL casino's is about the same as equating suicide gankers with RL terrorists.

I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#46 - 2013-10-30 02:32:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Mhmmm and a casino doesn't need oversight and regulations because they wouldn't load dice, rig money wheels, etc...that would cause less people to play. Oh, wait...they have some of the toughest rules in business and for a very good reason.

:you're a dummy:

Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:

And your equating blink with RL casino's is about the same as equating suicide gankers with RL terrorists.

Yeah that's pretty dumb, blink isn't regulated

Wait no, we have ccp's assurances that they are honest and a great community service provider. Doesn't that solve all your misgivings about these good honest people.

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Jasmine Assasin
The Holy Rollers
#47 - 2013-10-30 02:43:50 UTC
I'm sick and tired of hearing about stupid people and their problems with blink. If you don't like them then don't use their site. Pretty simple.

I like to gamble and so I shall continue to do so regardless of the EVE armchair lawyers.
Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-10-30 02:45:07 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:


Wait no, we have ccp's assurances that they are honest and a great community service provider. Doesn't that solve all your misgivings about these good honest people.


About as much as CCP saying Jita Scammers are ok, I'm just getting a laugh out of these people that seem to be trying to turn it into a Federal Offence.

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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#49 - 2013-10-30 03:45:49 UTC
I don't trust them. Never did, and never really will.

Gambling is a horrible way to make money unless it's rigged in your favor; and it's never rigged in your favor unless you're running the game.
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
#50 - 2013-10-30 04:48:43 UTC
ITT people probably have no idea Somer made his initial fortune as a contract scammer.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#51 - 2013-10-30 06:08:04 UTC
ahem.

Do your research.

Blink isn't registered in Panama.

Blink is using a whois protection service, who are registered in panama.

http://www.whoisguard.com/

The details on Whois have to be accurate, for a way to get in contact with the owner of the domain. However, they can be the details of a company that will forward relevant emails and mail to the actual owner, so the owner doesn't get spammed to hell.

That's what's happened here. It's far from unusual. iirc, it's normally a couple of bucks on top of the normal domain registration fee.

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Frying Doom
#52 - 2013-10-30 06:19:51 UTC
Jasmine Assasin wrote:
I'm sick and tired of hearing about stupid people and their problems with blink. If you don't like them then don't use their site. Pretty simple.

I like to gamble and so I shall continue to do so regardless of the EVE armchair lawyers.

Or alternatively you could bugger off and not use the forumsSmile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#53 - 2013-10-30 06:24:12 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
ahem.

Do your research.

Blink isn't registered in Panama.

Blink is using a whois protection service, who are registered in panama.

http://www.whoisguard.com/

The details on Whois have to be accurate, for a way to get in contact with the owner of the domain. However, they can be the details of a company that will forward relevant emails and mail to the actual owner, so the owner doesn't get spammed to hell.

That's what's happened here. It's far from unusual. iirc, it's normally a couple of bucks on top of the normal domain registration fee.

I stand corrected

So instead we have a business registered: Unknown
Hosted in: Unknown
Controlled by the Gambling laws of: Unknown
Protected by: A Panama Company

That is so much better.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#54 - 2013-10-30 06:35:35 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
ahem.

Do your research.

Blink isn't registered in Panama.

Blink is using a whois protection service, who are registered in panama.

http://www.whoisguard.com/

The details on Whois have to be accurate, for a way to get in contact with the owner of the domain. However, they can be the details of a company that will forward relevant emails and mail to the actual owner, so the owner doesn't get spammed to hell.

That's what's happened here. It's far from unusual. iirc, it's normally a couple of bucks on top of the normal domain registration fee.

I stand corrected

So instead we have a business registered: Unknown
Hosted in: Unknown
Controlled by the Gambling laws of: Unknown
Protected by: A Panama Company

That is so much better.



The joys of :tinfoil:


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Frying Doom
#55 - 2013-10-30 06:45:56 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
The joys of :tinfoil:

Actually having run hundreds of web sites I have never used such a service as my customer base was located within the USA, I had to adhere to US laws as well as the laws of various other countries.

So please as you are enlightened, please tell me

Where Somer Blink is registered for Business?
Where are its servers are located?
What jurisdictions are involved with its websites?
What country does it pay income tax in?

You know the easy to answer questions of any reputable business.

Somers pages do not even contain a copyright warning that I could find.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#56 - 2013-10-30 06:57:14 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
The joys of :tinfoil:

Actually having run hundreds of web sites I have never used such a service as my customer base was located within the USA, I had to adhere to US laws as well as the laws of various other countries.

So please as you are enlightened, please tell me

Where Somer Blink is registered for Business?
Where are its servers are located?
What jurisdictions are involved with its websites?
What country does it pay income tax in?

You know the easy to answer questions of any reputable business.

Somers pages do not even contain a copyright warning that I could find.

If one cannot be found, they don't have to pay taxes, if IRS (assuming he is US) don't see the transactions there's no need to pay taxes.

Whois-protection is common and used for both legit and non-legit reasons, cloudflare and similar services are used for both legit and non-legit reasons (the latter usually resulting in services disabled when found).

Offshore accounts with linked CC is a good way to avoid taxes, smaller transactions over time the same thing.

Obviously he may very well be a total legit real company paying taxes etc on the income, but I have my doubts about pixel play fun...

Must say it's unusual quiet from their side atm though, usually they respond to all kind of omg-scam and whatnot threads created about them...

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#57 - 2013-10-30 07:29:43 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
The joys of :tinfoil:

Actually having run hundreds of web sites I have never used such a service as my customer base was located within the USA, I had to adhere to US laws as well as the laws of various other countries.

So please as you are enlightened, please tell me

Where Somer Blink is registered for Business?
Where are its servers are located?
What jurisdictions are involved with its websites?
What country does it pay income tax in?

You know the easy to answer questions of any reputable business.

Somers pages do not even contain a copyright warning that I could find.



Uh, whois blocking has /nothing/ to do with adhering to any laws. So that's a strawman right there. Where ever I've registered domain names, there's generally been a tickbox for whois protection when I've done it. And because everyone loves throwing numbers out there, at work I'm managing around 800 domains, because my bosses just love ring fencing their brands. Thank god that we've been able to get them to reduce it from the 1400 odd it used to be. Intra-business billing ftw.

As for the rest of it, I couldn't say. Though I can say that Markee Dragon, at least for most affiliates, pays through paypal. And if you want to take any significant quantity of money out of paypal, you're going to be registered as a business with them.


The website itself, well, I'd be surprised if it's registered as a business. As it, itself, doesn't make any money. All the money comes from affiliate payments, direct to Somer. Who should be paying income tax, as with any payment, on it.

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Frying Doom
#58 - 2013-10-30 07:42:33 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
The joys of :tinfoil:

Actually having run hundreds of web sites I have never used such a service as my customer base was located within the USA, I had to adhere to US laws as well as the laws of various other countries.

So please as you are enlightened, please tell me

Where Somer Blink is registered for Business?
Where are its servers are located?
What jurisdictions are involved with its websites?
What country does it pay income tax in?

You know the easy to answer questions of any reputable business.

Somers pages do not even contain a copyright warning that I could find.



Uh, whois blocking has /nothing/ to do with adhering to any laws. So that's a strawman right there. Where ever I've registered domain names, there's generally been a tickbox for whois protection when I've done it. And because everyone loves throwing numbers out there, at work I'm managing around 800 domains, because my bosses just love ring fencing their brands. Thank god that we've been able to get them to reduce it from the 1400 odd it used to be. Intra-business billing ftw.

As for the rest of it, I couldn't say. Though I can say that Markee Dragon, at least for most affiliates, pays through paypal. And if you want to take any significant quantity of money out of paypal, you're going to be registered as a business with them.


The website itself, well, I'd be surprised if it's registered as a business. As it, itself, doesn't make any money. All the money comes from affiliate payments, direct to Somer. Who should be paying income tax, as with any payment, on it.

Actually Transparency has everything to do with adhering to laws, for example Somer may or may not be breaching the laws as to where its servers are located. No one can tell as all of the details are hidden.

But here is the big one, can you find a reputable gambling site, that is not hosted offshore, with all of its details so well hidden?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#59 - 2013-10-30 07:58:02 UTC
I like that 'that is not hosted offshore' restriction. Also the 'reputable', which is fairly easy for you to discount anything you want to.

Because you'll find that most online gambling isn't hosted in the US, because your laws aren't conducive to it.

But looking a a few (ignoring that restriction) I find FULLTILTPOKER.COM uses it, for example.


Totally aside from that, you're comparing a full up business, with something run by (real world side) one person.

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Alt Two
Caldari Capital Construction Inc.
#60 - 2013-10-30 08:18:58 UTC
I wonder if CloudFlare are aware that they are hosting an unregulated gambling website? As an American company wouldn't they have pretty strict laws against that?