Intergalactic Summit

I think I asked you to stop... but since you want to stay dishonored, let it be so.
You mix half true with half lie, to speak about matters you don't understand, and that involve others.
The fact is, I can prove to any loyal citizen, that you are wrong, by simply displaying an item (or even two).
I could even display them to you, if you would have asked instead of making assumption.
But now - I won't, because after this I don't trust you.
And I don't trust you by two reasons.

1. You are not loyal enough for my trust.
Your name was mentioned in a couple of cases about anti-State activity, and I don't know even if you still have a citizenship or not. You are often vocal about enmity towards Caldari Heroes. You betrayed ideals of ancestors, ideals of new meritocracy and our supreme commander. Thus by displaying you sensitive information, Im risking leaking it to the enemy.

2. You are trolling too much for my trust.
Instead of discussing ideas, actions, regulations and approach, you decided to discuss the author - myself. You have stated several opinions about me, that weren't supported by facts, and were incorrect. Yes, instead of asking me about myself, you simply pour out your groundless guesses, that were targeted against me. Thus, if I display you real information about myself, you will either misinterpret it, or simply use it as is against me.

So, you wanted it - you got it. Enjoy staying in ignorance.

Immortal investors openly employed and supplied by the Corporate Police Force (you're free to check standings if you have issue) willingly supply Miss Kim with further war assets and empower her cause despite the many delusional Caldari immortals' opinions within this channel. Further more, contrary to what all you would continue to believe, Miss Kim and every one of us are further rewarded by the State for our efforts and our outspoken views.

Certainly not the mega-corporations directly but perhaps there are more people expressing support for her and those like her than you'd like to consider?

Why, the other day you would not guess who came up to me and expressed extreme support for further actions with Miss Kim: a representative of one of Lai Dai's capsuleer fronts.

I think it is about time you all wake up and realize your pretty little State actually is actually not so anti-Heth as you'd like to believe. Even moreso, I find the State is expressing more favor in Miss Kim's efforts recently with her standing increases than anyone else of you here.

My… the lot of you really are cute.

I like this topic.

Wait ****, that means the SoCT and Jove Empire profess their support for my... pharmaceutic research? Hot damn, this is going to go rather well. Not to mention how I am clearly within the warm embrace of the Caldari Navy after just a few bri... a few tokens of support.

If this is all people have to do to claim popular support, I'm pretty sure I could get both the Empress and whoever runs Minmalala land to permanently fuse their lips to my less subtle cheeks at once. Unless, you know, the "standings" number is simply a little metric measuring bribes, menial work for entity agents and turning opposing militia into light-seconds long smears in space.

But that'd just be silly, huh?

How to explain the difference between standings and citizenship...

Let me put it this way. If your standings reached 100 and all eight of the Okusaiken gathered together and held a little party declaring you their very favouritest pet killer you still wouldn't be a citizen.

My citizenship is worth infinitely more to me than my rank of Wing Commander, a rank which means the State Protectorate holds me in the very same value as they hold Wing Commander Kim-haani.

In terms of veterancy, I believe Miss Kim DOES contend you then, Mister Tuulinen. Regardless of her ability to command immortals, amongst the mortals, she is clearly valued. Should this be who is actually featured on the holoreels, or within who is more famously known to be prowling opposing mortal vessels, or witnessed from the windows of those manning the complexes.

You, and her, are valued by someone.

And while you are a immortal and a citizen, this makes you no more qualified than she is to speak on behalf of the mortals.

You should remember your place.

P.S. Something to remember: At one point, Heth was a savior of all Caldari's underclass. A people long felt forgotten after the Corporate elite opened more doors since the first war with the Gallente. Now, even with his crimes, those same people who all rose up across the State to riot where only Heth could silence (peacefully) feel even more alone. As much as you consider them meaningless now since the corporate elite are once again in power, remember that they're still there: your people. And when it comes to who out of the championing immortals is more followed on the holofeeds across the State, I would not even dare to try to contend with Miss Kim.

She is a hero amongst so many you and your elite would condemn by labeling their hero a terrorist. I'm sure the masses are counting down to when your clone fails to reanimate.



EDIT: Fixed a few typos and added the PS. Post was rushed as I was exchanging fire with Federation fighters outside Innia. Forgive me.

His crimes are minor compared to those committed in the past by the corporate elite. You're just as bad as they are.

A minor act to condemn the worth of a man who promised so much more for so many people.

Some have not forgotten the dream.

Trade fire if you wish, I'm here for true Caldari justice. You'll get yours in time.

True enough, to a degree at least. If the response from Caldari intelligence services is too brutal in pursuing traitors and people start seeing them everywhere regardless of their actual guilt or not they'll end up doing more damage to your State than the Federation could ever do.

In regards to your attempt to insult me, I can't even decipher your message's meaning. If it's some sort of feeble attempt to paint me as a Black Eagle supporter you'll have to try harder than that. The Black Eagles are no friends of mine.

Pilot Dea I must question why you choose to throw in your lot with the likes of Diana Kim? Please go back and re-read what your comrade in arms had to say about anyone who is not Caldari or Amarr. She is a pathological xenophobe who believes in the biological inferiority of those of us born in the Federation or Republic. Do you really wish to be associated with a creature such as Kim who is mocked and reviled even among her own people?

Kim does not represent the interests of the State or its citizens. She is a Provist, loyal only to her Dear Leader, Tibus Heth. She places the glorification of a single man above the good of an entire society and as such (at least from my admittedly limited knowledge of the State) seems to be the exact opposite of a loyal Caldari citizen.

I would advise you not to ally yourself too closely with her.

I've really been trying to avoid getting involved in this discussion as it doesn't pertain to me more than indirectly, but certain claims and statements need to be corrected.



"Immortal" investors do not represent the will of the State, nor do any of us for that matter. Any one of us could have backings and support from any number of other capsuleers and it would be completely irrelevant in relation to the governmental bodies around the cluster.

As for our "standings" with the aforementioned governmental bodies and their subsidiaries: standings represent work done for, or in support of, a single entity. Any one of us, regardless of our motivations or ideals, could gain standings and reputation with any other entity simply by performing tasks for that entity at our own leisure.



Read the news coming from within the State and you'd realize how absolutely ridiculous this assertion is. Read my above statements if you need further clarification. The will of capsuleers do not represent the will of the State - the State is quite clearly taking action against its former Executor.



Incorrect for the same exact reasons as everything else you've claimed is incorrect. The "State Protectorate" is a capsuleer militia that operates as a separate entity from the Caldari State and the Caldari Navy. Members of the State Protectorate are treated as contract employees within a private military organization operating under legal sanction from CONCORD.

In summary:

Your entire argument is based on fallacious assumptions regarding 'standings' and how they relate to actual governmental entities and their subsidiaries.

Actions and personal recognition from those entities and individuals. You could have perfect standings with the Amarr Empire and still be nothing more than a capsuleer identification number as far as they're concerned. You clearly understand this principle as the rest of your argument uses it for the basis of your claims.

In other words, standings are absolutely meaningless, easily manipulated and irrelevant to a person's "official" recognition with any single entity.



Conjecture and therefore worthless in debate.



Again an incorrect assumption based on standings. Her standings and rank within the State Protectorate are irrelevant to the State at large. It is far more likely that most "mortals" don't even know who she is outside of what they read on these very communication boards.



There are so many presumptions and arrogant assertions in this little gem that I am having trouble finding a place to start. Again, the news coming from within the State would make it clear to you that the supposed "underclass" you're referencing have been more than involved in the riots and uprisings against Tibus Heth, including his wanton destruction of vessels containing Kaalakiota employees protesting peacefully. Also, a review of Tibus Heth's history would point out that "peacefully" silencing opposition was never his method of operation.

Furthermore, you are making a grand assumption and affording Tuulinen-haan an extreme disservice by claiming that he considers anyone within the State "meaningless" and you'll be hard-pressed to find anything he's said or done lending credence to this assertion. You may also wish to provide some form of legitimate proof to your claim that Kim-haani is so popular among the "mortals" because this is the third time you've made such a claim without any proof of it, you're beginning to sound more like a starstruck fangirl than anyone with a legitimate leg to stand on in the field of debate.