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Level 4 missions and me.
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Solaris233
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-10-27 06:46:41 UTC
Can I still run level 4 missions with my drake. or do I have to use my tengu(cannot afford right now.). I noticed my shield rigging skills are not sufficient anymore when I try to rig my drake with shield rigging devices, when it was always that way before . I'm an old player and level 4 missions were never a problem in the drake, always the Raven which I've always had problems. but I was killed in no time after 3 years away from the game.
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#2 - 2013-10-27 06:57:20 UTC
Drakes don't do respectable damage anymore, mostly due to the HM nerf.
There is still a officer/faction fitted HAM drake capable of doing 4's.
If you enjoy that for E-peen reasons go you, otherwise it is just mental torture.
Nowadays battlecruisers are just lame, drop the dead weight and move on as you shouldn't want to be doing 4's in a drake.
Lvl 4's are BS territory it can be done by other ship but it lacks efficiency.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-10-27 08:12:32 UTC
I think you can also do lvl4s respectably well in turret command ships after the medium rail/arty/beam buff and command ship rebalance
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#4 - 2013-10-27 08:34:41 UTC
It's not the missioning drake from days of old as mentioned. They nerfed it hard.

That being said, you said you can fly a raven? The new low SP meta is to get a micro jump drive and get away from the enemy and snipe them in either a cruise raven or sentry domi. It works great on everything but guristas. The skill only takes like half an hour. Then you don't need much of a tank at all. Hope this helps.

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Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-10-27 09:29:34 UTC
Try this raven

[Raven, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor I

X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Use a T2 Co-Processor if you have bad fitting skills, and/or remove the Cap-booster for another TP if you are confident that MJD is enough for you.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-10-27 14:29:30 UTC
Solaris233 wrote:
Can I still run level 4 missions with my drake.

Just do it!

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Baggo Hammers
#7 - 2013-10-27 17:28:24 UTC
In ten years, Drake never was a sound choice for L4s.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#8 - 2013-10-27 18:10:21 UTC
Baggo Hammers wrote:
In ten years, Drake never was a sound choice for L4s.


Before the Drake/HML nerf and before the MJD came about it was the choice for low SP pilots to start learning L4's.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#9 - 2013-10-27 18:33:47 UTC
It lost 1% resist per level to the shields.

5% less tank makes it harder.

Add that to the one less missile slot and the HM nerf.

L4 Drake is dead.
Baggo Hammers
#10 - 2013-10-27 18:54:38 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Baggo Hammers wrote:
In ten years, Drake never was a sound choice for L4s.


Before the Drake/HML nerf and before the MJD came about it was the choice for low SP pilots to start learning L4's.


Don't ever recall that at all. Would take a week on WC. Only a fool would do that....oh wait.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#11 - 2013-10-27 19:09:47 UTC
Baggo Hammers wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Baggo Hammers wrote:
In ten years, Drake never was a sound choice for L4s.


Before the Drake/HML nerf and before the MJD came about it was the choice for low SP pilots to start learning L4's.


Don't ever recall that at all. Would take a week on WC. Only a fool would do that....oh wait.


It would only take a scrub a week, completely negating the foolishness when looked at from the perspective of a decent pilot.

So I see why you came to the conclusion you did.


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are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-10-28 02:05:46 UTC
All trolls aside the Drake was okay for level 4 missions a few nerfs back. It was a bad choice if max ISK per hour was your goal but it could do was missions without having to warp out and complete them without spending hours.

Today I would say it's a very poor choice. The tank is weaker and most importantly heavy missiles don't have enough range in a Drake. A MJD Raven seems to be a good choice among newer mission pilots. The MJD can get you at range where you take less incoming damage and have the time to pick away at targets.
Solaris233
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-10-28 05:06:43 UTC




Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Try this raven

[Raven, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor I

X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Use a T2 Co-Processor if you have bad fitting skills, and/or remove the Cap-booster for another TP if you are confident that MJD is enough for you.




Sounds like a good fit and was not aware of the micro jump drive. Still will need level 5 cruises which will take awhile.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#14 - 2013-10-28 06:08:49 UTC
Meta 4's would work fine with that until you get T2's.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Stevo76
Br0wn Coat5
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#15 - 2013-10-29 13:31:48 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Meta 4's would work fine with that until you get T2's.


If only using Meta 4 launchers, and therefore not T2 ammo, I would be inclined to remove the painter, and the Cap Booster. Potentially you could fit a Large Shield Booster, and 2 Boost Amplifiers, a BS usually can handle the cap usage of a large booster fine. You won't have to worry about Cap charges then, and hopefully you could remove the Co-Pro in lows and fit something else.
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#16 - 2013-10-29 14:28:22 UTC
A Raven with some resists and an XL booster can take most L4s pretty well. Not immensely SP-rich either. Definitely go with the Raven.
Nadezda Morozovovna
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-10-29 19:51:12 UTC
You dont need much tank with cruise raven, unless you are fighting those damned guristas, they got awful range.
Fit suggested above is more than enough, i would maybe switch cap booster for some target painter, be honest, you do not need tankiness, when firing from 130 km (unless guristas again ^^ ) and pulse tank is enough for those few unlucky frigs that get close enough to be torn apart by your drones.
Drake, however, is useless even as cheapest l4 boat, because you can get that damn raven for 180M