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How much have you sold our State for, dirty swines?

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Coyote Torres
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#21 - 2013-10-26 16:12:55 UTC
Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:


I'm well aware of that, that plenty of people have tried and none succeeded. In my mind that does not justify kicking her for no other reason than "because it's funny and she's morally reprehensible, so it's okay." Plenty of Capsuleers have tried to help her, I'm not sure how many of us can. We're not psychotherapists in the main. With very few exceptions the majority of us have not had the relevant training to help someone like her. As for her crew... If I could do anything, I would.


I think we need less bleeding hearts pandering to her, and more blunt 'kicking' to demonstrate in no uncertain terms that her behavior isn't acceptable. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#22 - 2013-10-26 16:17:44 UTC
I'm more curious why you give one woman this much attention? You know you're just encouraging her.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
AimogMart
#23 - 2013-10-26 22:40:33 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
We live in dark times, citizens. But the darkness shouldn’t blind our vigilance. Gallentean rats penetrated our society on different levels, and are destroying us from inside. This must be stopped.

I always told you, that those, who were against Tibus Heth, are gallentean supporters. But you didn’t hear me, and this is what you received. Our Executor and hero lost his power and was abducted by Sansha beasts. Our titan destroyed by filthy gallentean scum. Our defensive perimeter around Caldari Prime was dissipated. Half of our planet is populated by gallentean swines. And one of our megacorp CEOs disgraced himself and ashamed the whole State by crawling to gallenteans on his knees, begging for planet access.

You didn’t believe me back then. But now even incompetent gallentean press, that stolen document from incompetent gallentean security forces, have published it to show heavy gallentean involvement in anti-Heth movement in the State. This means only one thing: those, who supported such movement are traitors, threat to the State and must be disposed of.

I have started already thorough screening of my crews on the subject of sympathy towards gallenteans, sansha or signs of disrespect of Tibus Heth. Five traitors were executed so far by myself in person in front of other crewmembers. Their bodies were disposed of without any honors. And their families were notified about this disgrace.

Provists are gone, and the fate of the State lies in our hands now. No one will hold our hands anymore, and it is our duty to exterminate traitors and maintain high ideals of new meritocracy ourselves. Find and destroy elements, that were acting against Tibus Heth not by order, but by their own will. Find those, who were agitating against Tibus Heth. And destroy.

Screen your own crews. Watch for employees, agents and even your superiors. Spies and gallente supporters can hide anywhere! We must purge them, clean the State and our names. Apprehend suspicious workers. Destroy capsuleers, and their ships. Everyone, who were against Tibus Heth are either actual gallentean spies or their supporters.

Show them no mercy! Traitors must be destroyed, and dignity of the State restored.

Glory to the State!
D. Kim, Wing Cmdr.


Ah, so your plan to defeat the Federation and do away with its ideals is to go so far in the opposite direction via suspicion, control of ideas, tormenting dissenters, and disappearing those who refused to be silenced that you'll actually make us look good in comparison to the State?

Why, if I didn't know better, I'd think you to be a Black Eagles plant.
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#24 - 2013-10-28 07:12:30 UTC
I'm sure everybody spies on everybody in this cluster, from empires to capsuleer alliances down to the smallest corporations and individual operatives.

Empires especially have more spies in the woodwork than ticks on a slaver hound.

I could be spying on someone right now.

;)

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-10-28 13:45:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
I have always been opposed to former-Executor Tibus Heth and was quite open about it.

I have also always been opposed to the Gallente Federation's activities and stance regarding the Caldari State and have been quite open about it.

My service record speaks for itself, as does anyone who knows me on a level of depth beyond these communication boards.

With that out of the way (to answer to any accusations from the original poster that I am a "Gallente supporter"):

I have said before and will say again, it is Caldari to acknowledge both the merits and demerits of an individual or group of individuals, Tibus Heth accomplished some extraordinary things during his regimented rule over the Caldari State and, despite his failings, revealed to us a number of flaws in our own system and way of life.

I urge you Kim-haani, not to follow blindly his path into the void. We are Caldari and our loyalty is first and foremost to one another and to the ideals and traditions that have made us whom we are, not to one single man. Tibus Heth has been deposed with cause, it is time we move forward as a people and set about repairing what damage has been done, cherishing the lessons he taught us.

~Malcolm Khross

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#26 - 2013-10-28 22:03:37 UTC
So,

Let's just recap here...

Kim admits, over public boards, to the murder of State citizens, without trial, and in front of witnesses. Simply for not thinking the way she would want them to.

it's sounding more and more like she's been drinking nanite smoothies recently.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2013-10-28 22:09:27 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
So,

Let's just recap here...

Kim admits, over public boards, to the murder of State citizens, without trial, and in front of witnesses. Simply for not thinking the way she would want them to.

it's sounding more and more like she's been drinking nanite smoothies recently.


You see, the thing about Diana Kim is that she's technically Disenfranchised. She does not enjoy the support of one of the Mega corporations, she is simply a contractor for the State Protectorate.

This means that her crew are ALSO technically Disenfranchised, with no Mega corporation to intercede on their behalf. They are, quite literally, without the normal rights a State citizen would enjoy. When they join Diana's 'company' she becomes the sole arbiter of their guilt or innocence. She has the right to declare them traitors to the State and execute them, at least in Low Security space.

Now, to be sure, she has a duty to provide a frame work of laws and the apparatus of enforcement, but if she gets a bit carried away, there really is no recourse under law.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-10-28 23:24:33 UTC
To be fair I think executing those five was a merciful thing to do. It saves them the slow death of asphyxiation when her Caracal gets destroyed...again...

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#29 - 2013-10-29 02:30:51 UTC
"None are still considered active assets for the Federation following the downfall of Heth"

Can just imaging the final words from those Execs to the Federal Spys.

"Yes, thanks for giving us some assistance in getting rid of Heth. Now, you may want to be leaving the State.... Rapidly."

You ask what the price was? Paid in full.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#30 - 2013-10-29 04:18:19 UTC
I bought Jita and the surrounding 4 systems for 5000 isk. The dirty swines threw in New Caldari as a freebie. I think I made a good deal.

P.S. Better hush up Kim before I buy Saisio and turn it into a giant adult holoreel set.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-10-29 11:40:08 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Kim, are you so suprised Gallente got spies in the State?

Ymladris, are you so ignorant you couldn't get it from the reading the message, that I wasn't surprised? Or is it a usual trolling attempt because of inability to make something valuable?


Hardly, albeit I can see how it is interpreted that way. It's just puzzling. You kept on telling how gallente want to bring us down from within, but never been able to provide solid evidence.
You also kept on claiming many times in the Summit channel that Gallente are lying bastards who should never be believed lest you fall victim to their hedonistic lifestyle.

Now you choose a leaked Gallente document, published to unveil gallente undercover operations in the State by a gallente corporation, the Scope to rage against them. This can mean a few things:

-You believe gallente speak the truth, and assist you in unveiling it, thereby it follows you are helped by the gallente, and needed them for the evidence.
-You still believe gallente are lying, yet support their lies as truth, wich means you assists whatever agenda Gallente Intelligence would have when Caldari Loyalists take gallente lies as truth.

Such absolutism and naivety are both annoying and troubling... especially when you try to apply your one-sided view to interpret MY words such way.
Just stop it. Go away, relax, drink, whatever.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-10-29 11:43:20 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:

Do you? Because your actions of internal strife and paranoia along...

Bla bla bla.
I will pay 10 000 ISK to anyone who will manage to find smart and educated enough gallentean to discuss things without insulting opponents.
Of course, I am pretty sure these money will stay in my wallet forever.


Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-10-29 11:51:25 UTC
Rioghal Morgan wrote:

Ah, so your plan to defeat the Federation and do away with its ideals is to go so far in the opposite direction via suspicion, control of ideas, tormenting dissenters, and disappearing those who refused to be silenced that you'll actually make us look good in comparison to the State?

If the Federation managed to infect unstable elements in our State, it is our duty to purge them away. You can't simply fight filth only outside, if it is already soaking inside.

Rioghal Morgan wrote:

Why, if I didn't know better, I'd think you to be a Black Eagles plant.

What, little gallentean creature, are you afraid for fate of your compatriots too hard, so you trying to shunt it towards me in this awkward manner?
Pathetic.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-10-29 12:05:38 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
I have always been opposed to former-Executor Tibus Heth and was quite open about it.

Just one question:
How much they have paid you?

Malcolm Khross wrote:

I have also always been opposed to the Gallente Federation's activities and stance regarding the Caldari State and have been quite open about it.

My service record speaks for itself, as does anyone who knows me on a level of depth beyond these communication boards.

Recapping your 'activities': no. I still remember your own "approach" to the war we fight. Would totally befit a gallentean supporter.

Malcolm Khross wrote:

With that out of the way (to answer to any accusations from the original poster that I am a "Gallente supporter"):

For Maker's sake, don't dismiss what we haven't agreed on!

Malcolm Khross wrote:

I have said before and will say again, it is Caldari to acknowledge both the merits and demerits of an individual or group of individuals, Tibus Heth accomplished some extraordinary things during his regimented rule over the Caldari State and, despite his failings, revealed to us a number of flaws in our own system and way of life.

He had no 'failings'. It were anti-provist filthy scum faults. It is all their fault, and they will pay for this. With their pathetic lives.
I will try to exterminate as much venal anti-provist rats as possible, before they will have another chance of selling the State to enemy.

Malcolm Khross wrote:

I urge you Kim-haani, not to follow blindly his path into the void. We are Caldari and our loyalty is first and foremost to one another and to the ideals and traditions that have made us whom we are, not to one single man. Tibus Heth has been deposed with cause, it is time we move forward as a people and set about repairing what damage has been done, cherishing the lessons he taught us.

I fight for Caldari, and I will die for Caldari. Even if I will have to fall into the void, I will continue fighting for the State and advance ideals of meritocracy and Caldari superiority. Tibus Heth is not with us anymore, but the State and his ideals still live, and while I live, I will make sure, they will live as well.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-10-29 12:12:14 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
iyammarrok wrote:
So,

Let's just recap here...

Kim admits, over public boards, to the murder of State citizens, without trial, and in front of witnesses. Simply for not thinking the way she would want them to.

it's sounding more and more like she's been drinking nanite smoothies recently.


You see, the thing about Diana Kim is that she's technically Disenfranchised. She does not enjoy the support of one of the Mega corporations, she is simply a contractor for the State Protectorate.

This means that her crew are ALSO technically Disenfranchised, with no Mega corporation to intercede on their behalf. They are, quite literally, without the normal rights a State citizen would enjoy. When they join Diana's 'company' she becomes the sole arbiter of their guilt or innocence. She has the right to declare them traitors to the State and execute them, at least in Low Security space.

Now, to be sure, she has a duty to provide a frame work of laws and the apparatus of enforcement, but if she gets a bit carried away, there really is no recourse under law.

Incorrect. And in future retain yourself from speaking about me, if you value your honor.

Anti-provist rats, that were found in my crew, were executed as traitors according to Caldari Navy wartime regulations.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-10-29 12:18:27 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
I bought Jita and the surrounding 4 systems for 5000 isk. The dirty swines threw in New Caldari as a freebie. I think I made a good deal.

P.S. Better hush up Kim before I buy Saisio and turn it into a giant adult holoreel set.

You are intoxicated, primitive tribal.
I see the day, when you will be dragged in stocks to work on some farm in the Empire, where would be your ideal place, runaway slave. I doubt that your new Amarr master would entrust you with more complex work than digging the dirt.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-10-29 12:21:34 UTC
Kim-haani,

The State existed prior to Tibus Heth and it will continue to exist after him. The ideals you claim were his were in place long before him, the concept of meritocracy built the State that Heth tried to rule.

Every person, no matter how great, has faults and failures. That you claim to see no fault nor failing in Tibus Heth says more than I ever could about your character and motivation.

May the Winds judge you fairly and your ancestors not be brought to shame by your actions. I will say no more.

~Malcolm Khross

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2013-10-29 17:07:29 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
iyammarrok wrote:
So,

Let's just recap here...

Kim admits, over public boards, to the murder of State citizens, without trial, and in front of witnesses. Simply for not thinking the way she would want them to.

it's sounding more and more like she's been drinking nanite smoothies recently.


You see, the thing about Diana Kim is that she's technically Disenfranchised. She does not enjoy the support of one of the Mega corporations, she is simply a contractor for the State Protectorate.

This means that her crew are ALSO technically Disenfranchised, with no Mega corporation to intercede on their behalf. They are, quite literally, without the normal rights a State citizen would enjoy. When they join Diana's 'company' she becomes the sole arbiter of their guilt or innocence. She has the right to declare them traitors to the State and execute them, at least in Low Security space.

Now, to be sure, she has a duty to provide a frame work of laws and the apparatus of enforcement, but if she gets a bit carried away, there really is no recourse under law.

Incorrect. And in future retain yourself from speaking about me, if you value your honor.

Anti-provist rats, that were found in my crew, were executed as traitors according to Caldari Navy wartime regulations.


As a capsuleer, you no longer hold an active Navy Commission.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Cathy Okagima
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-10-29 17:27:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Cathy Okagima
Quote:
As a capsuleer, you no longer hold an active Navy Commission.



She may not hold Navy Commission however as a free agent of the Caldari state she can treat her crew however she see's fit.

I am sad we lost the birth place of our race yet again and obviously some counter intelligence activity should be taken to clear up this threat. However full blown witch hunts are not the answer. We have our own intelligence network and though currently it may not have had the successes of the Federation's it may only be a matter of time. Don't lose hope, don't start throwing accusations left, right and center a confused State that is hitting itself over the head will never get anywhere.

There are those among the Gallente who envy our Caldari life style I can imagine it won't be long before the Federation find some of there own people leaving to join our glorious state and I personally will welcome them with open arms.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2013-10-29 18:05:41 UTC
To be fair, I did acknowledge her right, Okagima-haani.

I just take issue with her pretending it comes from a legitimate authority.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.