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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#281 - 2013-10-29 17:24:41 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

But then again, why were all the other threads raffling off assets/characters locked, if its a legitemate practice?

exactly. so, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

they could either let Somer continue and let everyone else do so as well.

but seeing as people doing the exact same thing get RMT locks and warnings/threats, i would say that the biggest RMTer of them all, Somer, needs to be made an example of.
RAW23
#282 - 2013-10-29 17:29:32 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

Stick to the facts, and maybe just avoid analogies altogether if you don't understand their purpose.


The purpose of the analogy is to explore a hypothetical. We do not know the actual situation at the moment so there is no reason to 'stick to the facts' when the currently known facts are almost certainly only part of the picture. Coming to firm conclusions in the absence of all the data is jumping the gun and in the meantime it is worth considering what the various possibilities are.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Handsome Feller
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#283 - 2013-10-29 17:31:43 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Handsome Feller wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Handsome Feller wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Crossing the road was always against the law, just because some cops looked the other way for a few years does not change that fact.


Logic fail. There's only one cop and he was happy with you crossing the road every single day. He also helped you to cross the road. But one day, he killed you for it.


You do understand that loopholes in laws/rules/EULAs often get closed? Using your analogy closed = killed.

Sometimes a loophole becomes a noose, as CCP is finding out.


I do understand. But this is a loophole that objectively has been seen, witnessed and rewarded by the the law maker. The hole is closed and the law maker pulls the trigger for past "crimes".

I personally would never trust anyone who did such an act, I'm just surprised at how many people actually want for CCP to be such a beast (but only when it suits them, I guess).

But then again, why were all the other threads raffling off assets/characters locked, if its a legitemate practice?


You're a little late to the party. This is what people have been asking over the past few weeks. This has now apparently culminated in the revised "laws", which now has people asking for Somer to be executed. All for doing something that CCP were very happy about and have clearly endorsed (community spotlight, iScorps etc.).
RAW23
#284 - 2013-10-29 17:31:49 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

Short of it being:
- Don't assume, look at the facts
- Facts are, RMTing has occurred, the perpetrator should be punished


You missed out an important fact: we simply don't know at the moment what CCP did or did not authorise Somer to do. Sticking to the facts requires hypothesising at this point. You have an implicit assumption in your argument that CCP did not authorise Somer's actions. Just because your assumption is implicit rather than explicit doesn't make it any less of an assumption.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#285 - 2013-10-29 17:34:00 UTC
Handsome Feller wrote:


You're a little late to the party. This is what people have been asking over the past few weeks. This has now apparently culminated in the revised "laws", which now has people asking for Somer to be executed. All for doing something that CCP were very happy about and have clearly endorsed (community spotlight, iScorps etc.).

Baali Tekitsu wrote:

But then again, why were all the other threads raffling off assets/characters locked, if its a legitemate practice?

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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#286 - 2013-10-29 17:36:21 UTC
dr poom wrote:
CCP need to just distance themselfs from all third party lottery and gambling sites. Do it in game or dont do it ! Also if they do Ban Blink do you think i could get my 30 bil back. xD


CCP needs a good lesson in the fine art of detachment.

Not today spaghetti.

Handsome Feller
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#287 - 2013-10-29 17:37:54 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

But then again, why were all the other threads raffling off assets/characters locked, if its a legitemate practice?


Handsome Feller wrote:


You're a little late to the party. This is what people have been asking over the past few weeks. This has now apparently culminated in the revised "laws", which now has people asking for Somer to be executed. All for doing something that CCP were very happy about and have clearly endorsed (community spotlight, iScorps etc.).


Am I playing your game correctly? Such fun!
Frying Doom
#288 - 2013-10-29 17:40:01 UTC
Handsome Feller wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Handsome Feller wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Crossing the road was always against the law, just because some cops looked the other way for a few years does not change that fact.


Logic fail. There's only one cop and he was happy with you crossing the road every single day. He also helped you to cross the road. But one day, he killed you for it.


You do understand that loopholes in laws/rules/EULAs often get closed? Using your analogy closed = killed.

Sometimes a loophole becomes a noose, as CCP is finding out.


I do understand. But this is a loophole that objectively has been seen, witnessed and rewarded by the the law maker. The hole is closed and the law maker pulls the trigger for past "crimes".

I personally would never trust anyone who did such an act, I'm just surprised at how many people actually want for CCP to be such a beast (but only when it suits them, I guess).

While it may have been 'seen, witnessed and rewarded by the the law maker' there was no loophole to be closed, to continue the analogy,crossing the road was always against the law. The law has not been changed, it just has not been enforced in this case.

As to CCP acting as a beast is it fair on everyone who has been punished under this law if they are treated differently?

Honestly I don't know where I stand on this other than something must be done, I choose not to state what I would like to see as I might be placing my anger at the stupidity of some of Somers supporters onto Somer itself and that would not be fair either.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#289 - 2013-10-29 17:42:12 UTC
Handsome Feller wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

But then again, why were all the other threads raffling off assets/characters locked, if its a legitemate practice?


Handsome Feller wrote:


You're a little late to the party. This is what people have been asking over the past few weeks. This has now apparently culminated in the revised "laws", which now has people asking for Somer to be executed. All for doing something that CCP were very happy about and have clearly endorsed (community spotlight, iScorps etc.).


Am I playing your game correctly? Such fun!


It simply is legit or it is not and rules should apply to everybody equally.
There cant be a grey area such as "Im RL poor, thats why I should be allowed to bot".

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#290 - 2013-10-29 17:44:27 UTC
And again no sign of life from CCP.
Is the whole company on a trip again or why cant we even get a post "yes were working on it" out of anyone?

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Handsome Feller
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#291 - 2013-10-29 17:49:23 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

As to CCP acting as a beast is it fair on everyone who has been punished under this law if they are treated differently?


Point taken. I personally would rather CCP wipe the slate, set the rules in stone and then ban anyone for for contravening them. As it is though, quite a lot of people are basically asking for CCP to pull the trigger on someone due to their own ineptitude / corruption / stupidity and that's just wrong.

If I stub my toe on the bed, I don't punch the greengrocer, regardless of how seductive he looked. (I bloody love analogies!). I hope that one causes much consternation on this forum too :-)
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#292 - 2013-10-29 17:51:47 UTC
Handsome Feller wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

As to CCP acting as a beast is it fair on everyone who has been punished under this law if they are treated differently?


Point taken. I personally would rather CCP wipe the slate, set the rules in stone and then ban anyone for for contravening them. As it is though, quite a lot of people are basically asking for CCP to pull the trigger on someone due to their own ineptitude / corruption / stupidity and that's just wrong.

If I stub my toe on the bed, I don't punch the greengrocer, regardless of how seductive he looked. (I bloody love analogies!). I hope that one causes much consternation on this forum too :-)

so, who's alt are you? Somer, or Andrev?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#293 - 2013-10-29 17:52:08 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
And again no sign of life from CCP.
Is the whole company on a trip again or why cant we even get a post "yes were working on it" out of anyone?


CCP has given exactly as much response as this whiny BS deserves.

Mr Epeen Cool
Handsome Feller
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#294 - 2013-10-29 17:55:49 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:
Handsome Feller wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

As to CCP acting as a beast is it fair on everyone who has been punished under this law if they are treated differently?


Point taken. I personally would rather CCP wipe the slate, set the rules in stone and then ban anyone for for contravening them. As it is though, quite a lot of people are basically asking for CCP to pull the trigger on someone due to their own ineptitude / corruption / stupidity and that's just wrong.

If I stub my toe on the bed, I don't punch the greengrocer, regardless of how seductive he looked. (I bloody love analogies!). I hope that one causes much consternation on this forum too :-)

so, who's alt are you? Somer, or Andrev?


Such a wonderfully insightful, original and well thought out response! Simply brilliant!
/s

I would rather a company didn't ban someone for the company's own mistakes / corruptness / ineptitude etc. You presumably would prefer this to happen. So who's alt are you? Stalin's? (see what i did there?)
Laserak
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#295 - 2013-10-29 17:58:34 UTC
What we need is an internet lawyer
Meizu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#296 - 2013-10-29 17:58:43 UTC
I wonder if streamers and youtubers should be worried now, doing a lottery or giveaway to attract viewers or subs could be seen in the same light once he/she earns revenue that way.

With the integration of twitch into the client ccp should come out with a clear policy on streaming, video and the monetization of that aswell.
Frying Doom
#297 - 2013-10-29 18:00:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Handsome Feller wrote:


Such a wonderfully insightful, original and well thought out response! Simply brilliant!
/s

I would rather a company didn't ban someone for the company's own mistakes / corruptness / ineptitude etc. You presumably would prefer this to happen. So who's alt are you? Stalin's? (see what i did there?)

Biggest thing here though is that the rule did not change and other people were banned over the same time period.

So while one or more people may have said or even written that there actions were ok, the rules were there for all to see saying it was a banable offense plus all the other nasty stuff.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#298 - 2013-10-29 18:01:46 UTC
If CCP did not spotlight, give out exclusive rewards, and heavily endorse Somer Blink just weeks ago, then there would be little issue in assuming that they changed the EULA to close such loopholes and were closing current threads because it is not in a violation. They could have been considering what to do with Blink since it was such a large violator and big part of the community, but would have closed it down eventually anyway.

As it stands though with the rewards, spotlight, endorsements, and pretty much all around favoritism, it shows a double standard that they do not think what Blink is doing is wrong, while at the same time banning others who do the same. CCP kind of dug their own grave here, and there is no real way to side with CCP here. Blink either deserves to be taken down for equality, or CCP needs to allow it's competitors to do their thing.

If someone is making a product and selling it freely, but then it becomes illegal, they are not in the wrong if they quit producing and selling it immediately. As we know laws change, and policies close, so this is normal. HOWEVER, if that company continues to produce and sell these illegal goods, they are in violation of the law. This is what Blink is doing right now as it is shown they are breaking the laws of the EULA and ToS since others are being shut down for the same thing. Blink is NOT in the wrong for what they did before the loophole was closed, but they ARE in the wrong for operating after seeing the loophole has been closed.

A great reference for this is to think about how c0caine was originally put into Coke when it was legal to do so. IS it anymore? lol no.
Druthlen
The Carlisle Group
#299 - 2013-10-29 18:02:08 UTC
Who inside CCP is getting kick backs from Somer to look the other way? Is there anything actually illegal going on that is against international, or Icelandic law? I want this kinda of activity to stop and I want to know who got paid to let it happen. If it was CCP as a business then it is just bad business. If it was an individual inside CCP getting paid then laws may have been broken.
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#300 - 2013-10-29 18:06:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Druthlen wrote:
Who inside CCP is getting kick backs from Somer to look the other way? Is there anything actually illegal going on that is against international, or Icelandic law? I want this kinda of activity to stop and I want to know who got paid to let it happen. If it was CCP as a business then it is just bad business. If it was an individual inside CCP getting paid then laws may have been broken.

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